Player Discussion Jeff Gorton

[Bluenote13]

Yes it was. Staal and Girardi should never have been re-signed.

I said that 7 years ago when everyone loved them, theres the difference.

 

[Bluenote13]

Again, winning a face off is not going to change that.

Momentum doesn't change anything? Ok....

 

[Boruto]

I said that 7 years ago when everyone loved them, theres the difference.

you said they shouldn't have been re-signed before they were re-signed?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

you said they shouldn't have been re-signed before they were re-signed?

He also voted for the war before he voted against it.

 

[Bluenote13]

you said they shouldn't have been re-signed before they were re-signed?

I said there are too many defensive dmen on this team and not enough puck movers on the backend. In 2010.

 

[Boruto]

Momentum doesn't change anything? Ok....

Winning a faceoff is momentum? We have sufficient puck possession and zone time. We don't do anything useful with it except "get it to the net". Yandle directed traffic and made plays to the net and down low that we haven't seen all season long.

 

[Bluenote13]

He also voted for the war before he voted against it.

That war was also horrible on the power play.

 

[Zil]

Gorton was AGM at the time. But Sather was still calling the shots. If Sather says go get this contract done, Gorton just did his job. We'll find out how smart he is this offseason, because it's a massive chance the remake the blueline.

 

[Bluenote13]

Winning a faceoff is momentum? We have sufficient puck possession and zone time. We don't do anything useful with it except "get it to the net". Yandle directed traffic and made plays to the net and down low that we haven't seen all season long.

And we got that for one year, which makes the price we paid look even worse.

 

[Boruto]

I said there are too many defensive dmen on this team and not enough puck movers on the backend. In 2010.

But you are also against Yandle who's the best puck moving defensemen we've had this decade.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That war was also horrible on the power play.

But killer possession numbers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Momentum doesn't change anything? Ok....

If you think a FO swings momentum that drastically one way or another, then I don't know what to tell you.

Their PP didn't suck because of their inability to win a FO. That much I know is true and changing that won't really be changing anything. It'd be like clipping a hang nail when you've got a gaping hole in your face.

 

[Bluenote13]

But you are also against Yandle who's the best puck moving defensemen we've had this decade.

I didnt think he was worth the pricetag, the first season we acquired him he was not very effective, took him months to get acclimated.

 

[Bluenote13]

But killer possession numbers.

Absolutely, like playing the shell game and hoping to be a winner

If you think a FO swings momentum that drastically one way or another, then I don't know what to tell you.

Their PP didn't suck because of their inability to win a FO. That much I know is true and changing that won't really be changing anything. It'd be like clipping a hang nail when you've got a gaping hole in your face.

Who said drastically? Its still a problem when you start off the 2 minutes retrieving the puck. Would you just give the pk the puck to start every pp? Sounds like a bad plan.

 

[Revel]

If you think a FO swings momentum that drastically one way or another, then I don't know what to tell you.

Their PP didn't suck because of their inability to win a FO. That much I know is true and changing that won't really be changing anything. It'd be like clipping a hang nail when you've got a gaping hole in your face.

Tired of burning the first 20 seconds of every PP because we lose the FO and waste time retrieving the puck back in our own end. Every second we have the puck in the appropriate zone is another second dedicated to trying to put the puck on net. Sometimes we'll lose 3 or 4 FOs over the course of a single, two minute PP. Add it all up, and a large amount of PP time is wasted retrieving the puck. I'm not gonna deny that we have other things to work on...such as being able to work the puck quicker and force it down low on the PP (instead of McD repeatedly taking weak shots from the Top)...but FOs shouldn't be discounted.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Gorton was AGM at the time. But Sather was still calling the shots. If Sather says go get this contract done, Gorton just did his job. We'll find out how smart he is this offseason, because it's a massive chance the remake the blueline.

Gorton was the AGM at the time of the Gab/Brass deal. There's no way he'd ever deal Brass because of that.

 

[Ail]

That it seems a little odd that you would spend the whole year trashing them as "the worst" but when it comes to trading them, suddenly they have found some sort of value that others would trade for. Seems to me either you were wrong that they are AHL quality or you believe that NHL GMs are just simply not as preseptive as you. In the case of the latter, I suggest you send your resume to the NHL as quickly as possible.

No, I'm correct. I'm just also able to see why some idiot coach or GM might disagree. You know like our current idiot coach and the former idiot GM who signed them both to extensions. You're also attempting to make this black and white, as if it is impossible for them to both be bad defensemen, but still be looked at as valuable. Which is obviously incorrect to anyone with even mediocre reasoning ability.

So again, you are bribing another team with assets as a way to help you clean up your own mess? I just want to make sure I got this.

Yes.

Just curious when you have last seen assets put to such use. If the answer is never, then that should probably tell you that it is a pretty awful idea as opposed to creative out of the box thinking.

How about last summer when the Red Wings traded Datsyuk and a first to Arizona? So I guess the answer isn't never, but I'm curious to see how you'll spin that into somehow still being a bad strategy. As if it would be better to suffer another year of Staal and Girardi dragging the team down.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

@Ail

you're wasting your time explaining it to him

 

[Thirty One]

Tired of burning the first 20 seconds of every PP because we lose the FO and waste time retrieving the puck back in our own end.

**49.1% of our PPs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Absolutely, like playing the shell game and hoping to be a winner




Who said drastically? Its still a problem when you start off the 2 minutes retrieving the puck. Would you just give the pk the puck to start every pp? Sounds like a bad plan.

It's not ideal, but its hardly a fatal issue or anything close to it.

I'd gladly lose every PP FO if it meant that I had a RH PPQB out there than what we watched the Rangers run out there all year. The Rangers PP would have been more productive with that trade off as well.

Faceoffs are so overrated and always have been. This team sucked in the dot when they had the deepest run they've had since 94 too.

 

[silverfish]

You know what's weird? No one talks about how bad Connor McDavid is in the faceoff circle. Not elite or generational if you ask me.

 

[Thirty One]

Nope, you assumed that. They are afterall allowed to cut their losses after assessing his play.

All those 'unforgettable' pp points, which one was your favorite?

Why is unforgettable in quotes? Who said unforgettable?

Why is that the measure anyways? He had a clear record of success on the PP here, if none of it registered as memorable to you, it sounds like a you problem.

 

[Raspewtin]

Not relevant. They still chose not to resign him after paying premium price.

I love how in one breath you say "look the FO didn't listen to me!! just imagine if they did" and your very next point is "our FO didn't sign him and that's all you need to know"

Pick one.

 

[Bluenote13]

It's not ideal, but its hardly a fatal issue or anything close to it.

I'd gladly lose every PP FO if it meant that I had a RH PPQB out there than what we watched the Rangers run out there all year. The Rangers PP would have been more productive with that trade off as well.

Faceoffs are so overrated and always have been. This team sucked in the dot when they had the deepest run they've had since 94 too.

94? Messier, Mactavish, Sarge?

Well, I never met a hockey coach/gm at any level that said losing faceoffs is no big deal. Its part of the game, it automatically puts teams on their heals after a break in the action, it gives you instant setup with a full 2 minute PP, it matters whether its not your cup of tea or not

 

[Bluenote13]

Why is unforgettable in quotes? Who said unforgettable?

Why is that the measure anyways? He had a clear record of success on the PP here, if none of it registered as memorable to you, it sounds like a you problem.

The price paid set that measure, not me.