Post-Game Talk: Jazz

[RagFinMet]

The panarin line has been atrocious
Since signing, laf thinks he is panarin and can just hang out in the neutral zone waiting for offensive opportunities
His game was better when he was cycling and forechecking with Chytil and Kakko
Trocheck looks like he had his career year and is back to being an avg mid 6 C
Mika is just awful
If u can't score anymore at least play defense..
The D can't play man to man and most certainly aren't smart enough to play a hybrid man to man..
Dumb it down, play zone
On the bright side, Kakko was very good. Despite having a 4th liner and Smith on his wings, that line was our best. Proof the KK is driving the line
Great to see
Cuylle and Berard also were great
Put those 3 together

 

[McRanger92]

It got into the public realm yesterday, so whatever tensions or dysfunction there might've been behind closed doors between players and staff/management is now out in the open. We're probably looking at mutiny by the leadership group. Maybe Drury wants this, or maybe he miscalculated. But how can we be mad at Drury? He's doing what we're all thinking about anyway. Yes, he did tie one hand behind his back with bad contracts, but all teams, not just in hockey but in sports generally, carry a couple of bad contracts. Shocking.

There's definitely a rift in the locker room. Young guys breaking out but dont play over underperforming vets, Igor contract drama, etc. There have been rumblings for years that drury isnt in love with the guys he inherited (Panarin, Kreider, trouba). It's all coming to a head now and honestly its for the best. The sooner they are through the woods, the sooner they can get their season back on track. I believe in the youth.

 

[will1066]

There's definitely a rift in the locker room. Young guys breaking out but dont play over underperforming vets, Igor contract drama, etc. There have been rumblings for years that drury isnt in love with the guys he inherited (Panarin, Kreider, trouba). It's all coming to a head now and honestly its for the best. The sooner they are through the woods, the sooner they can get their season back on track. I believe in the youth.

He obviously sees the need to course correct this before the season is lost. He and his staff had no real option than to run it back with essentially the same group and see how far they could replicate last year. The goaltending had been able to cover up the litany of warts of this group but no longer it seems. It's past the point where Quick and Shesty can bail them out period after period, game after game. They're facing shots in the slot uncontested, with no teammate even within the TV frame.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

There's definitely a rift in the locker room. Young guys breaking out but dont play over underperforming vets, Igor contract drama, etc. There have been rumblings for years that drury isnt in love with the guys he inherited (Panarin, Kreider, trouba). It's all coming to a head now and honestly its for the best. The sooner they are through the woods, the sooner they can get their season back on track. I believe in the youth.

There were rumblings he didnt like those players he inherited? I dont remember this at all

Not saying that its not true, I just dont remember hearing that

 

[Guyute]

There were rumblings he didnt like those players he inherited? I dont remember this at all

Not saying that its not true, I just dont remember hearing that

The Athletic mentioned a while back that Drury wouldn't be unhappy dumping Panarin if he could

 

[CLW]

It got into the public realm yesterday, so whatever tensions or dysfunction there might've been behind closed doors between players and staff/management is now out in the open. We're probably looking at mutiny by the leadership group. Maybe Drury wants this, or maybe he miscalculated. But how can we be mad at Drury? He's doing what we're all thinking about anyway. Yes, he did tie one hand behind his back with bad contracts, but all teams, not just in hockey but in sports generally, carry a couple of bad contracts. Shocking.

Imo Drury has been at odds with this locker room since he became GM. At best there has been a wary truce. Moving Buch at any cost, bringing in Goodrow and continued promotion of room favorites Trouba and Lindgren were part of his strategy to have a strong locker room, which to his credit does seem important to him.

But now things are basically back at at square one. The vets have been given all kinds of room and space to shine, they even physically shoehorned Lindy in next to Fox. They've been as patient as possible with Trouba. Now it's clear to everyone it's no longer working, the vets are in a funk (again) and Drury is pissed off.

Nobody can have any issues with a solid house cleaning at this point. We can only hope Drury has a clear plan and identified targets for the refurbishment.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

The rest of the team was abysmal. The usual suspects gave us more of the same. And Lafreniere and Trocheck are playing too much like Panarin. The line worked when they would do the things that Panarin doesn’t do. But now all three of them want to hang around the perimeter and look to thread the needle with a perfect pass. If he’s healthy, I would put Chytil back on that line to get some straight ahead play out of them.

This is perfectly put, spot on.

That line works when Trocheck and Lafreniere are winning the battles and constantly moving opening up lanes, now they're all hanging on the perimeter and trying to make rinkwide seam passes through 5 guys every single time they have the puck. Those plays only open up when you're moving all the time and confusing the defenders. Also have to keep them honest and attack in different ways, we're not seeing any of that.

 

[will1066]

The Athletic mentioned a while back that Drury wouldn't be unhappy dumping Panarin if he could

I'm gonna get hate for this, but I still maintain that as many great things as Panarin has brought here, he's also influenced greatly how this group plays. And he's a regular season star only.

 

[Guyute]

I'm gonna get hate for this, but I still maintain that as many great things as Panarin has brought here, he's also influenced greatly how this group plays. And he's a regular season star only.

If we shed, Panarin we will be a far worse team. This has been discussed ad nauseam. However, his high risk decision-making and questionable back checking definitely permeate the lineup. Other guys copy him by slowing the game down, going East-West, looking for fancy rather than ugly goals, etc.

 

[will1066]

If we shed, Panarin we will be a far worse team. This has been discussed ad nauseam. However, his high risk decision-making and questionable back checking definitely permeate the lineup. Other guys copy him by slowing the game down, going East-West, looking for fancy rather than ugly goals, etc.

The group looks to him like Keanu Reeves Neo, waiting for him to do something magical. And while he comes through a lot of times, it's not a winning formula.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

 

[McRanger92]

I'm gonna get hate for this, but I still maintain that as many great things as Panarin has brought here, he's also influenced greatly how this group plays. And he's a regular season star only.

I always felt like Panarin took on the identity of the team he was on. The Rangers have had weak leadership and a young team since he got here and that forced him into a role in the locker room he wasnt comfortable with. The weak leadership and softness, also led to the Wilson incident. I do think it was meaningful that he spoke yesterday and the other vets didnt. Go with the young hungry core guys and let Panarin be their go to guy on the power play. I think he will press less if the team is playing the right way around him.

That felt like a word salad but I just dont feel like Panarin is as much to blame as his peers. At least he produces.

 

[The Undertaker]

Drury and Lav's bold "message" will probably include - scratch Zac Jones, less minutes for Cuylle and Kakko, demote Laf, Berard sent back down, maybe a Kreider trade. Not expecting much from this sackless coach and GM.

 

[CLW]

I always felt like Panarin took on the identity of the team he was on. The Rangers have had weak leadership and a young team since he got here and that forced him into a role in the locker room he wasnt comfortable with. The weak leadership and softness, also led to the Wilson incident. I do think it was meaningful that he spoke yesterday and the other vets didnt. Go with the young hungry core guys and let Panarin be their go to guy on the power play. I think he will press less if the team is playing the right way around him.

That felt like a word salad but I just dont feel like Panarin is as much to blame as his peers. At least he produces.

It was good to see him step up and take responsibility post game. On ice he skates and tries to make things happen. Too often in the past he was in a world of his own, aloof.

 

[TGWL]

Mika had a rough game. Trouba and Lindgren were brutal, as they are every night.

Time to take Mika off of PP1. His performance on the first goal against is inexcusable. Weak ass pass to Trouba that arrives like a grenade, which Trouba unsurprisingly fumbles then falls, then Mika doesn’t even cover his man in the slot.

Mikka had a rough turnover game but actually showed some hustle and effort before the 3rd period took place. Then he went back to his normal "I'm too pretty to play hockey attitude."

If you're going to make bad plays at least look like you're trying to get those goals back. And he just gave up.

 

[LORDE]

Can we do a "Worst players of the game" poll after losses?

Some games it might be tough like when the entire team is shit, but would be funny anyway.

 

[Ail]

Its so fitting that our team of artsy, introspective team leaders only show any emotion when their Utopia of being pampered and growing old together in NYC is threatened. Unfortunately the emotion seems to be contempt for the thought of upheaval. Sad. They shouldve come into this season foaming at the mouth to win.

Start on defense and go from there, but the work begins now @DRURY, not later. His job is at stake regarding how he handles the rest of this season. Same with Laviolette too. Regardless of what vets they move out, as long as Igor is here this team should be in the playoffs. Play the kids as much as possible and put the vets in the cuck chair until a trade can be found.

Nasty of you to out Chris' secret HFBoards sock account like that when he went through all that trouble to hide his real identity.

 

[grachevsceiling]

If we shed, Panarin we will be a far worse team. This has been discussed ad nauseam. However, his high risk decision-making and questionable back checking definitely permeate the lineup. Other guys copy him by slowing the game down, going East-West, looking for fancy rather than ugly goals, etc.

That’s on the coaching staff though, isn’t it? And maybe partially on those players for not knowing their roles. Are they going to construct their team with no talent because they can’t stop guys from aping their best player?

 

[Harbour Dog]

At some point, Laviolette is going to have to go with the nuclear option of playing his best players more than his worst players.

 

[McRanger92]

At some point, Laviolette is going to have to go with the nuclear option of playing his best players more than his worst players.

Laviolette is kneecapping Drury by continuing to play the primary offenders. In what world is it justified that Mika should be on the ice in the final minute? And why is Cuylle not leading the team in icetime in a game like that.

 

[Mike C]

happy thanksgiving fellas!!


i ddin't get a chance to see the game---how did berard look. saw he got some time on the pp----did he seem like he belongs? i like the kid....hope he gets an extended look


thanks!

 

[TGWL]

happy thanksgiving fellas!!


i ddin't get a chance to see the game---how did berard look. saw he got some time on the pp----did he seem like he belongs? i like the kid....hope he gets an extended look


thanks!

He had energy and bounced around a lot from hitting players to hitting the ice, but he showed some jump and hustled to backcheck/break plays up. It's difficult to really judge players on 1 game. He didn't get as many 5 on 5 minutes when the game mattered most.