Post-Game Talk: Jazz

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Fox with a 90% xGF this game per NST

he’s pretty good. We should pair him with our worst defenseman

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well at least if he continues to suck he’s only a “this year” problem.

Ever noticed that whoever ends up on Zibs line looks "washed"? Maybe it's not coincidence

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Fox with a 90% xGF this game per NST

What about Miller?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Ever noticed that whoever ends up on Zibs line looks "washed"? Maybe it's not coincidence

True but Wheeler actually was washed, and who knows about Smith, he’s got some miles on him and he was terrible in Pitts

 

[Brutananadilewski]

True but Wheeler actually was washed, and who knows about Smith, he’s got some miles on him and he was terrible in Pitts

Kakko always looked lost but he looked like he ventured in the Void playing on that line.

Laffy I think played a few times on that line and it too was no bueno.

 

[UnSandvich]

What about Miller?

77.36%. Also technically Fox was 90.85%

 

[ReddestRum]

Miller is too stupid with the puck on his stick .Way too unreliable and has bad turnovers way too much.He also sucks defensively and gets lost in coverage far too easy.He has the hockey sense of a peanut

I would rather have Miller and Fox playing together than what it'll go back to once Lindgren gets back. I'm not sure what your metric is for 'stupid with the puck', but I saw a shitload of turnovers from the entire defensive core when it came to clearing the puck that could've been goals. Miller had a turnover that DID result in a goal trying to make a play, but I'm not hearing a peep about Trouba/schneider's goal against when Schneider got lost in no man's land and Trouba literally watched a breakaway happen in his own zone. Hell, there are Miller haters in this thread saying Trouba had a great game. I thought no one on the D core had a particularly great game because of all the damn turnovers.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I would rather have Miller and Fox playing together than what it'll go back to once Lindgren gets back. I'm not sure what your metric is for 'stupid with the puck', but I saw a shitload of turnovers from the entire defensive core when it came to clearing the puck that could've been goals. Miller had a turnover that DID result in a goal trying to make a play, but I'm not hearing a peep about Trouba/schneider's goal against when Schneider got lost in no man's land and Trouba literally watched a breakaway happen in his own zone. Hell, there are Miller haters in this thread saying Trouba had a great game. I thought no one on the D core had a particularly great game because of all the damn turnovers.

Also, that was an incredible play by Kerfoot. Super impressive.

 

[ReddestRum]

Also, that was an incredible play by Kerfoot. Super impressive.

True that. Not going to take away from those hands. It is what it is.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Btw I posted this in the GDT last night and this should be nominated for post of the year

 

[Peltz]

Miller had a turnover that DID result in a goal trying to make a play, but I'm not hearing a peep about Trouba/schneider's goal against when Schneider got lost in no man's land and Trouba literally watched a breakaway happen in his own zone.

My bad. When that happened, I thought I yelled "Trouba sucks" loud enough at my TV for the whole city to hear it.

 

[Row I Goon]

This will be my only comment on the game

 

[Wtp99]

The thing about Zib isn't that he's playing particularly badly. It's that he has become almost totally unnoticeable.

He is noticeable but the not in the good way he once was.

 

[egelband]

I’m at the point where I question if Mika actually cares or did he get paid and stopped GAF

Think his priority is to not get hurt. He plays excellent defense but with the puck he’s a target so he stays extreme perimeter. He’s an elite 3C. Been saying it forever.

 

[noncents]

Think his priority is to not get hurt. He plays excellent defense but with the puck he’s a target so he stays extreme perimeter. He’s an elite 3C. Been saying it forever.

i wonder if chytil's struggles have made him gunshy

 

[IDvsEGO]

i wonder if chytil's struggles have made him gunshy

For those who forgot, he had his own head injury concerns until that Covid season; he’d had multiple seasons of missed games for “upper body injury’s “

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I'm shocked Zibby had a 90 point season with us, feels like he's more of a 60 point scorer these days

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, if there's something I'm concerned about, it's this.

We've had two solid games but there's a whole line out there that I don't feel great about scoring, and he's had bad defensive breakdowns.

He's with Smith who's always been good 5v5, and Kreider who's always been great 5v5. Both Smith and Kreider have been generating chances. If Zibanejad can't play with them, he can't play with anybody.

Not trying to defend Zibanejad but it seems there’s going to be less pressure on him early in the season for the fact that since last season his line is no longer 1st line on the team and if Chytil’s health holds up - there’s going to be “protection” there as well. So if we adjust our expectations to him being 2C on this team - it will be a lot easier to justify and accept his performance if his salary is not part of the discussion.

Otherwise, two games into the season is not a time to assign any labels on performances this far or deduct what it will be in the spring.

 

[kovazub94]

I actually think the team itself looks faster. Looks like they made it a focal point, finally, to play faster as a team.

IMO it’s more of a confidence thing (including knowing they’re healthy) as they’re clearly thinking of themselves as true contenders who can dominate and never out of the game regardless the score.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah, we disagree. I hardly even know he's playing, especially at 5x5.

But unnoticeable is awful for a 1st Line Center.

 

[Machinehead]

Not trying to defend Zibanejad but it seems there’s going to be less pressure on him early in the season for the fact that since last season his line is no longer 1st line on the team and if Chytil’s health holds up - there’s going to be “protection” there as well. So if we adjust our expectations to him being 2C on this team - it will be a lot easier to justify and accept his performance if his salary is not part of the discussion.

Otherwise, two games into the season is not a time to assign any labels on performances this far or deduct what it will be in the spring.

He was the 2C all of last year by any measure. He's not meeting that expectation.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Not trying to defend Zibanejad but it seems there’s going to be less pressure on him early in the season for the fact that since last season his line is no longer 1st line on the team and if Chytil’s health holds up - there’s going to be “protection” there as well. So if we adjust our expectations to him being 2C on this team - it will be a lot easier to justify and accept his performance if his salary is not part of the discussion.

Otherwise, two games into the season is not a time to assign any labels on performances this far or deduct what it will be in the spring.

Unfortunately Trochek is not a good enough 1C either.

 

[kovazub94]

He was the 2C all of last year by any measure. He's not meeting that expectation.

He was 2C all of last season. Sorry, you’re saying he wasn’t meeting 2C expectations last season or through 2 games so far?

 

[chosen]

But unnoticeable is awful for a 1st Line Center.

I 100% agree.

 

[DevilDog99]

Yeah I don't know what you guys watch, but I sign Miller to 6 per today. Games are long. Mistakes happen. You know what bad players/pairings don't do? Dominate their matchups. Miller and Fox are killing their opponents right now and that is having a trickle down effect. Keep em together. Trade Lindgren. Or shoot him to the sun. I don't care I just know I don't want to watch him anymore on this team.

Mika has started every season he has ever played slow. I'd be lying though if I wasn't a little worried.

Mika was slow ALL last season and the playoffs…