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Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5

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Sabre Dance said:
Much longer in what way? Teams go from bad to good in the NHL all the time. It doesn't take 5 years. So I don't agree with that. Botterill is moving like he has a 5 year plan but it didn't need to take that long.
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Sabre Dance said:
Much longer in what way? Teams go from bad to good in the NHL all the time. It doesn't take 5 years. So I don't agree with that. Botterill is moving like he has a 5 year plan but it didn't need to take that long.
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I wish I could look at what he’s been doing and see a five-year plan. I wish I could see any plan.
 
Sabre Dance said:
Much longer in what way? Teams go from bad to good in the NHL all the time. It doesn't take 5 years. So I don't agree with that. Botterill is moving like he has a 5 year plan but it didn't need to take that long.
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Having a quick turn around can definitely happen but only if Many of the pieces are already in place. Then the top pick walks into a strong situation as the icing on the cake. We’ve had next to nothing come from within for a very long time and a skeleton of a NHL roster for some time.
 
joshjull said:
Having a quick turn around can definitely happen but only if Many of the pieces are already in place. Then the top pick walks into a strong situation as the icing on the cake. We’ve had next to nothing come from within for a very long time and a skeleton of a NHL roster for some time.
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The comments by Button underscore this issue. I wish more fans could go back and accept what a bad situation this franchise has been in since the video scouting era began. Fans can not like Botterill all they want, but the idea that some other GM could come in and sprinkle magic dust is not realistic. The closest thing to a quick fix was the 2015 draft. But here we are with little depth, one or two decent roster players to work with in trade, and no future assets that the team can afford to part with that will return the level of talent the starting roster needs.
 
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OkimLom said:
It's one thing to still believe in being patient. I believe all of us would agree with that. I think, where the lines was drawn, was the belief in what the GM was doing was standing with that idea. There was a good number that saw what he did and said he was being patient and others pointed to what he did and disagreed.

For me, the last time he showed patience was in the 2018 season up until he signed Mittelstadt to a ELC. Once that happened I started to see his roster decisions leaning to the incompetence side than the patient side.

Then he doubled down on incompetence that offseason.
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I more mean patience as in waiting to see what the GM would do and giving him time to realize his vision. Not patience as in preaching patience with regard to team building.
 
I don’t need to be patient with Botterill. He has proven to not understand what a good forward looks like and this organization is in need of half a dozen new forwards.

I don’t have time for him to learn an entire new way to evaluate offensive talent.

There are plenty of people who can.

His lack of answer at 2C the last two years is begging to be removed. It’s GROSS INCOMPETENCE that has led to reducing production of what little talent is here and hurting the development of one of his top draft picks.

I’m sorry...he has to go.
 
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Mattilaus said:
I more mean patience as in waiting to see what the GM would do and giving him time to realize his vision. Not patience as in preaching patience with regard to team building.
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If a GM needs more than 3 years to create his vision, he’s got a vision not worth waiting for. You start the vision with the main roster and you cycle in your prospects as the years go by. The building of the team should’ve started with the bottom 6 back in the 2nd half of the 2017-2018 season.
 
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OkimLom said:
If a GM needs more than 3 years to create his vision, he’s got a vision not worth waiting for. You start the vision with the main roster and you cycle in your prospects as the years go by. The building of the team should’ve started with the bottom 6 back in the 2nd half of the 2017-2018 season.
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I mean cool but I don't know what this has to do with what I said. I literally said in my post my patience was gone...
 
OkimLom said:
If a GM needs more than 3 years to create his vision, he’s got a vision not worth waiting for. You start the vision with the main roster and you cycle in your prospects as the years go by.The building of the team should’ve started with the bottom 6 back in the 2nd half of the 2017-2018 season.
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You have to actually have those in order to cycle them in. Any GM that takes over will be at the mercy of the previous GM on that front.
 
joshjull said:
You have to actually have those in order to cycle them in. Any GM that takes over will be at the mercy of the previous GM on that front.
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true, but that doesn’t excuse him from doing everything He can to refill the cupboard himself.
 
Buffalo was on Zuckers no trade list... I mean what else can a GM really do. Bringing in another guy doesn’t change the fact players aren’t waiving their no trade clause to come here lol. I’m not defending Botts, just saying.
 
This is what happens when you brick the draft for a decade. And I know no one wants to hear it, but an awful lot of drafting comes down to luck. Teams don't need, nor can they expect to have contributions from all their 2nd and 3rds, but you need something from them.

I don't see anything that makes me think the trend has suddenly reversed.
 
BananaSquad said:
Buffalo was on Zuckers no trade list... I mean what else can a GM really do. Bringing in another guy doesn’t change the fact players aren’t waiving their no trade clause to come here lol. I’m not defending Botts, just saying.
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Do you think players don't notice when GM's trade ROR for nothing, sign players like Skinner to ridiculous contracts and fill out the forwards with fringe NHLer's? Word gets around and players don't want to come to an organization wher they don't think they have to win due to front office incompetence.
 
Chainshot said:
It’s like the three bears from Goldilocks. Hopefully the next one will be just right. Soon.
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Terrylocks and the 3 GMs?

Technically isn't J-Botts our 4th GM?

"This one is too sleepy!" said Terrylocks after taking a little sample of GM Darcy.

Next up was GM Patty, but before Terrylocks could take a bite, GM Patty was off the floor and out the door!

"Good luck with this mess" shouted GM Patty as he ran far away.

"Oh Phooey" said Terrylocks

Up next was GM Timmy, and boy he was alive, making things happen all day and all night. He certainly wasn't GM Darcy by any shape or size.

After a while Terrylocks grew sour "You've sure done a lot GM Timmy, but even after all these changes things aren't that much better"

"**** you Terrylocks", GM Timmy said, as he huffed out the door, bad mouthing the front office to all who would hear.

Up next was GMJB. "Oh what a brain he must have inside that large cranium of his" Terrylocks said with glee.

"What a mess!" proclaimed GM JB. "I can fix it, oh for sure, but first I must undo everything that came before!"

"Out Kane and O'Reilly" GM JB said with glee "I'll sure ask a lot, but I'll take not much"

"I'll hire a coach who has never coached before, and if that doesn't work, I'll go to the soccer store!"

After awhile, Terrylocks sure did wonder "Does GMJB know the pressure he's under? He acts like everything is fine and dandy, but oh dear will you look at the standings?"
 
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TehDoak said:
Who was GM before after Regier and before Murray?
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Nobody. Regier got fired and they hired LaFontaine to be President and Ted Nolan to coach. LaFontaine hired Murray to be GM and he burned it all to the ground for Reinhart and Eichel. LaFontaine quit shortly after Murray traded Miller and Ott so it seems like even though LaFontaine supposedly was the one who interviewed and hired Murray, he didn't ask him any particulars about how extensive the tear down would be. At least that's how I understand it. I guess you can argue LaFontaine was the defacto GM in the 2 months between Regier getting fired and Murray getting hired though, but it was never his official job title.
 
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