Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5

[OkimLom]

Yea their recent draft picks seem to show a trend for faster skilled forwards, but I still watch a 2nd 3rd and 4th line everynight filled with forwards that are some bad combination of slow, soft, and unskilled. I still don't see much of an identity up front.

I like what he's done with the defense, but the forward group is so atrocious that it completely negates a pretty good d corps.

It's more that I'm looking at guys that would be on the team long term that weren't "obvious" moves. Skinner, Pilut, Joker, Cozens, Montour and trying to see what he sees in those players. The Dahlin pick was obvious regardless of the team you have, and Eichel is Eichel.

Of course, it's still a guess.

 

[RazielMoshman]

The worst contract is Murray's (Bogosian). On that I will agree. He is Murray's poison pill.

Okposo is a functioning player, with a role and a line that regularly tips possession in the Sabres favor. He has a use.

Skinner is on Botterill. And then the $20-ish million he has spent on filling out his roster with Sobotka, Vesey, Sheary, Hunwick, Miller, Montour, Frolik, Hutton, Rodrigues and yes Johansson.

Edit... check that. It is is $38.5875 million that he has tossed into the furnace for half of his roster on his acquisitions. The worst contracts on the team are that collection right there and even taking Skinner's over-size, negotiating-against-themselves deal out of it, it's a hair under $30 million dollars on **** all.

Not going to lie, kind of wishing I'd not read your post. No offence, ignorance is bliss though.

I'm not sure all that's dead weight. Johansson was a smart signing if we had more offensive depth and kept him at wing, him being a winger and all. Montour I think was a good trade and Miller looked like a smart signing. I defend Vesey but I realise that's a losing argument.

Skinner is overpaid unless he plays with Eichel and we have a seriously strong top-line capable of terrifying offence. The fact that Krueger seems incapable of seeing that is laughable and his biggest detriment (but players like him so that's ok). He was coming off of a 40 goal campaign and those players aren't dropping off tree's, especially not ones willing to sign with Buffalo.

All the others are mounmentally stupid moves which had little upside at the time. At best they were depth moves in case of injury during a long cup run. I'll not point the obvious stupidity in that sentiment.

 

[darcyRegier]

It's more that I'm looking at guys that would be on the team long term that weren't "obvious" moves. Skinner, Pilut, Joker, Cozens, Montour and trying to see what he sees in those players. The Dahlin pick was obvious regardless of the team you have, and Eichel is Eichel.

Of course, it's still a guess.

I agree with that, I guess I was more looking at our depth. If he is still here in the summer, it will be interesting to see how he re-builds the forward group. Looking at the bottom 6...Larsson, Girgs, Erod, Sheary, Frolik, Vesey, and Lazar all need new deals this summer. I have a hard time seeing him try to sign anyone besides Larry and Lazar. There should be a lot of new bodies up front in October which is gonna really change the way we play, hopefully for the better.

 

[jc17]

Botterill would have been run out of town if he didnt re-sign skinner. I dont love the deal but too many fans trying to have it both ways.

 

[debaser66]

The worst contract is Murray's (Bogosian). On that I will agree. He is Murray's poison pill.

Okposo is a functioning player, with a role and a line that regularly tips possession in the Sabres favor. He has a use.

Skinner is on Botterill. And then the $20-ish million he has spent on filling out his roster with Sobotka, Vesey, Sheary, Hunwick, Miller, Montour, Frolik, Hutton, Rodrigues and yes Johansson.

Edit... check that. It is is $38.5875 million that he has tossed into the furnace for half of his roster on his acquisitions. The worst contracts on the team are that collection right there and even taking Skinner's over-size, negotiating-against-themselves deal out of it, it's a hair under $30 million dollars on **** all.

You forgot Berglund.
He just lucked out of that contract

 

[Chainshot]

You forgot Berglund.
He just lucked out of that contract

I left him out because this is the current roster cost for a plurality of Botts' acquisitions. Berglund not being in the list is because he's not currently on the team.

 

[joshjull]

 

[Chainshot]

Botterill would have been run out of town if he didnt re-sign skinner. I dont love the deal but too many fans trying to have it both ways.

Have it both ways? Have competent management decisions that are consistent with not only what they say but also what is shown to work AND have some small measure of economy somewhere in what they do contractually? Doesn't seem this hard for some teams.

 

[debaser66]

it's almost like giving a player who had a 20 game goal less streak at the end of the season a 9M contract was a BAD idea.

You forgot the topping!
The NMC
Is it actually a full or team list?

 

[Chainshot]

When Michael Scott and Dunder-Mifflin seem like a step toward good management...

 

[jc17]

Have it both ways? Have competent management decisions that are consistent with not only what they say but also what is shown to work AND have some small measure of economy somewhere in what they do contractually? Doesn't seem this hard for some teams.

I mean there's a very large group of people that are mad with skinner's performance and contract, and also would have rioted if Botterill said he wasn't worth 9 mil and let him walk.

Not saying you, or anyone else in particular here, but just many sabres fans in general.

 

[truthbluth]

You forgot the topping!
The NMC
Is it actually a full or team list?

Full

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

I assume all of us live, breathe, and bleed sabres hockey - someone needs to say something about this shit show. We have been loyal as hell and need some answers from the GM or the owner. I get the sense that both are afraid to face the mob of unhappy fans...

 

[Dubi Doo]

What Botts ever have the balls to waive Bogo or Sobotka like the Bruins did with Backes?

 

[Myllz]

Amusingly, the scenes after that one would be true as well.

Terry: OK, now what's the plan we give them?
Botts: There isn't one!

 

[RazielMoshman]

What Botts ever have the balls to waive Bogo or Sobotka like the Bruins did with Backes?

Did Botts successfully bury Moulson? I'm not making a point I'm just trying to remember. If it was him then it sure doesn't feel like the same GM now.

 

[justafan22]

Did Botts successfully bury Moulson? I'm not making a point I'm just trying to remember. If it was him then it sure doesn't feel like the same GM now.

yes.

 

[debaser66]

Botterill would have been run out of town if he didnt re-sign skinner. I dont love the deal but too many fans trying to have it both ways.

It is a situation he created himself by not firing Housley the season before or during season...he didn't sign him before the TDL which he actually said he would.. he didn't try to ship him to a contender as a rental (the assets could have been used to actually try and get a 2C ) plus the assets he wasted on Miller, Montour & Vesey.
At least that was my sentiment last year after he wasn't signed until the TDL.

 

[debaser66]

What Botts ever have the balls to waive Bogo or Sobotka like the Bruins did with Backes?

I don't think he realizes how bad they actually are otherwise why do you keep this nonsense going with too many D.
Also I am not sure if RK is running an all inclusive seminar.

 

[Chainshot]

What Botts ever have the balls to waive Bogo or Sobotka like the Bruins did with Backes?

Should have been an easy "hard" move on Sobotka over the summer. It shows Botterill STILL thought Vlad was a legit player going into the season. As for Bogosian, the moment it came out that he wanted out, the thing to do would be to do what the Bruins did. Send him home, tell him to stay in shape, tell his agent to work the phones on his clients behalf... but he didn't. He left him around for the kumbuya coach to try to work into the lineup, or asked him to work him in to be seen by scouts to cost them points (a couple of loses are on GA he was directly responsible for). Make a hard decision when it is called for. Instead he's a milquetoast patsy.

I love that the Islanders are openly shopping for another quality exec and Buffalo is clustering their same set of "minds" to figure out how to get out of the corner they themselves have painted themselves into.

 

[Chainshot]

It is a situation he created himself by not firing Housley the season before or during season...he didn't sign him before the TDL which he actually said he would.. he didn't try to ship him to a contender as a rental (the assets could have been used to actually try and get a 2C ) plus the assets he wasted on Miller, Montour & Vesey.
At least that was my sentiment last year after he wasn't signed until the TDL.

Skinner had destination control. While I agree with the rest, moving him at the TDL isn't a slam dunk.

 

[CrazyPsycho]

it's almost like giving a player who had a 20 game goal less streak at the end of the season a 9M contract was a BAD idea.

Theres not a zero percent chance he did permanent damage here with our crack training staff

 

[Jame]

When Michael Scott and Dunder-Mifflin seem like a step toward good management...

Why would anyone think this is what we need? This is literally what we have...

 

[ek93]

 

[Buffaloed]

Did Botts successfully bury Moulson? I'm not making a point I'm just trying to remember. If it was him then it sure doesn't feel like the same GM now.

No. After he was loaned to the Ontario Reign the Sabres still had to pay him his full salary took a $4 million cap hit until his contract expired. They saved $1 million on the cap hit.