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I have some opinions on Jason Botterill....
First, Re-evaluating the Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foligno, Ennis, 3rd.
This trade was universally viewed in a very positive light. Two years later, it's another blemish on Botts embarrassing resume.
This is a hindsight analysis. So let's look at what we are left with and what Minnesota is left with:
2 years later Buffalo has:
- a 4 million dollar dead weight contract in 2019-20 (Scandella)
- the 117th pick in the 2018 draft
2 years later Minnesota has:
- 2 more years of one of the leagues best defensive power forwards at a great price (Foligno 2 yrs left at 2.875)
- 1.1 million in 2019-20 dead cap space from the Ennis buyout
- the 63rd pick in the 2018 draft
After two years of being the worst team in the league, Pominville has born no value/fruit. Justin Bailey could've played all those minutes and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
But there is a lot from this trade that contributed to the awfulness of the last 2 years.
Marcus Foligno was replaced by Benoit Pouliot:
View attachment 208313
Tyler Ennis was replaced by Jacob Josefson
View attachment 208317
Botts downgraded the roster in almost every way possible the last 2 years... from the big screw up that shall not be named, all the way down to the smallest moves:
1. like giving away Carrier, and replacing him with Nolan:
View attachment 208319
There's been a lot of issue raised about the lack of depth Botts had to work with thanks to the drunk spending spree Murray went on. But the reality is that there was depth, and Botts mishandled it through multiple trades/moves.
2. WhyTF is there a condition in the Sheary/Hunwick trade that if we trade Hunwick we owe Pittsburgh another pick? I've never heard of such nonsense. First, we are taking on the cap dump for Pittsburgh, but if Sheary turns out to actually be worthy of acquiring (scores 20) we owe Pittsburgh MORE. Then if Hunwick somehow turns out not to be the garbage Pitt thought he was, then we have to pay them for this miracle? We are doing Pittsburgh all the favors, but if the deal works out in our favor in any way... we owe them more??? This guy is the worst trade negotiator in history.
3. The conditional 1st in the Montour deal is the same thing. WTF are you doing? First, you make this trade in the offseason when you know where these picks stand. The difference in value between the 20th overall pick and the 31 st overall pick... is actually significant, and for some reason he decided to leave it up to the hockey gods to decide on the value we are willing to pay for Montour??? If you absolutely have to get Montour in season, then the condition on the 1st going to Anaheim MUST be the later of the STL and SJ picks. There's no way you should include a condition where another team's performance controls the quality of the 1st you're paying.
4. Beaulieu for a 6th and Fedun for a 7th
Do we care about depth or not?
First, Botts screwed the pooch by acquiring Hunwick and forcing Nelson down everyone's throat. He gave away 2 defensemen who are playing important roles on playoff teams. Look, if we didn't downgrade across the board in all the previous examples... and then made one dumb move to give away a useful defensemen... then who cares. But this is what death by a thousand paper cuts looks like:
View attachment 208335
No, instead we got treated to another year of this horror show:
View attachment 208339
And seriously, a 6th? Beaulieu stepped right in to their top pair. They had injuries and they needed help and all you got was a 6th? Toronto went to WPG, and gave them a pending UFA 13-4th forward... and got Petan. An asset far more useful than a god damn 6th round pick. 8 months ago you didn't even know what to do with a 6th round pick.
5. Sure... the Skinner acquisition was kind of a good move. But without an extension what is it really? The gap between the SJ 1st we acquired for Kane, and the 2nd we paid for Skinner might be 5-10 spots in the draft. We know that Botts doesn't see a value difference in that range (see the Montour conditions), so really... if Skinner doesn't re-sign. We essentially spent a 3rd, 6th, and Pu to rent an additional year of Kane (in the form of Skinner).
6. And Lehner... holy cripes... the guy is going to win the Masterson and the Jennings. Botts gave him away. There were numerous opportunities to help him get right. He needed a wake up call. Maybe exposing him in the expansion draft would've done the trick. Maybe waiving him to Rochester. Botts did nothing, and gave away another useful asset.
7. The Reinhart bridge...... cap genius
8. Scott Wilson... could've been Qualified at something like 660k. Botts feared arbitration (i assume), so instead of even qualifying Wilson, he gave him a 2 year deal for 1 million per. Lol.... this is our cap genius.
Am I rambling yet???
Yes. I said this was a hindsight thread. And in hindsight Botts has gotten almost everything wrong. And so far he's been rewarded with Dahlin for his failures. Let's hope we get rewarded one more time... and cut ties immediately before he messes up the next thing.
There's a lot of really really easy things to bag on Botts for (that 'other trade', hiring Housley, handling of prospects, etc). I think those alone are fireable offenses... but then when you dig down in to the rest of his moves, the ones that seemed ok... even good at the time... and realize they're almost univerally bad in hindsight, that's when you really have to ask whether you are ok with this guy making another coaching hire and getting a minimum of an additional 2-3 years because of it.
And now the question as to whether to proof read and edit... or just post....
post
Can't seem to find the "love" button...Oh well....Welcome back Jame.
Is this what you have been working on the last 6 months? "The Botts Thesis"I have some opinions on Jason Botterill....
First, Re-evaluating the Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foligno, Ennis, 3rd.
This trade was universally viewed in a very positive light. Two years later, it's another blemish on Botts embarrassing resume.
This is a hindsight analysis. So let's look at what we are left with and what Minnesota is left with:
2 years later Buffalo has:
- a 4 million dollar dead weight contract in 2019-20 (Scandella)
- the 117th pick in the 2018 draft
2 years later Minnesota has:
- 2 more years of one of the leagues best defensive power forwards at a great price (Foligno 2 yrs left at 2.875)
- 1.1 million in 2019-20 dead cap space from the Ennis buyout
- the 63rd pick in the 2018 draft
After two years of being the worst team in the league, Pominville has born no value/fruit. Justin Bailey could've played all those minutes and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
But there is a lot from this trade that contributed to the awfulness of the last 2 years.
Marcus Foligno was replaced by Benoit Pouliot:
View attachment 208313
Tyler Ennis was replaced by Jacob Josefson
View attachment 208317
Botts downgraded the roster in almost every way possible the last 2 years... from the big screw up that shall not be named, all the way down to the smallest moves:
1. like giving away Carrier, and replacing him with Nolan:
View attachment 208319
There's been a lot of issue raised about the lack of depth Botts had to work with thanks to the drunk spending spree Murray went on. But the reality is that there was depth, and Botts mishandled it through multiple trades/moves.
2. WhyTF is there a condition in the Sheary/Hunwick trade that if we trade Hunwick we owe Pittsburgh another pick? I've never heard of such nonsense. First, we are taking on the cap dump for Pittsburgh, but if Sheary turns out to actually be worthy of acquiring (scores 20) we owe Pittsburgh MORE. Then if Hunwick somehow turns out not to be the garbage Pitt thought he was, then we have to pay them for this miracle? We are doing Pittsburgh all the favors, but if the deal works out in our favor in any way... we owe them more??? This guy is the worst trade negotiator in history.
3. The conditional 1st in the Montour deal is the same thing. WTF are you doing? First, you make this trade in the offseason when you know where these picks stand. The difference in value between the 20th overall pick and the 31 st overall pick... is actually significant, and for some reason he decided to leave it up to the hockey gods to decide on the value we are willing to pay for Montour??? If you absolutely have to get Montour in season, then the condition on the 1st going to Anaheim MUST be the later of the STL and SJ picks. There's no way you should include a condition where another team's performance controls the quality of the 1st you're paying.
4. Beaulieu for a 6th and Fedun for a 7th
Do we care about depth or not?
First, Botts screwed the pooch by acquiring Hunwick and forcing Nelson down everyone's throat. He gave away 2 defensemen who are playing important roles on playoff teams. Look, if we didn't downgrade across the board in all the previous examples... and then made one dumb move to give away a useful defensemen... then who cares. But this is what death by a thousand paper cuts looks like:
View attachment 208335
No, instead we got treated to another year of this horror show:
View attachment 208339
And seriously, a 6th? Beaulieu stepped right in to their top pair. They had injuries and they needed help and all you got was a 6th? Toronto went to WPG, and gave them a pending UFA 13-4th forward... and got Petan. An asset far more useful than a god damn 6th round pick. 8 months ago you didn't even know what to do with a 6th round pick.
5. Sure... the Skinner acquisition was kind of a good move. But without an extension what is it really? The gap between the SJ 1st we acquired for Kane, and the 2nd we paid for Skinner might be 5-10 spots in the draft. We know that Botts doesn't see a value difference in that range (see the Montour conditions), so really... if Skinner doesn't re-sign. We essentially spent a 3rd, 6th, and Pu to rent an additional year of Kane (in the form of Skinner).
6. And Lehner... holy cripes... the guy is going to win the Masterson and the Jennings. Botts gave him away. There were numerous opportunities to help him get right. He needed a wake up call. Maybe exposing him in the expansion draft would've done the trick. Maybe waiving him to Rochester. Botts did nothing, and gave away another useful asset.
7. The Reinhart bridge...
8. Scott Wilson... could've been Qualified at something like 660k. Botts feared arbitration (i assume), so instead of even qualifying Wilson, he gave him a 2 year deal for 1 million per. Lol.... this is our cap genius.
Am I rambling yet???
Yes. I said this was a hindsight thread. And in hindsight Botts has gotten almost everything wrong. And so far he's been rewarded with Dahlin for his failures. Let's hope we get rewarded one more time... and cut ties immediately before he messes up the next thing.
There's a lot of really really easy things to bag on Botts for (that 'other trade', hiring Housley, handling of prospects, etc). I think those alone are fireable offenses... but then when you dig down in to the rest of his moves, the ones that seemed ok... even good at the time... and realize they're almost univerally bad in hindsight, that's when you really have to ask whether you are ok with this guy making another coaching hire and getting a minimum of an additional 2-3 years because of it.
And now the question as to whether to proof read and edit... or just post....
post
I think any chance or hope of Botts being fired was doused with that Pegula interview the other day. Not every franchise can have a "3 Time Canadian World Junior Gold Medalist" running the show and yet so many of us fail to appreciate this. Pegula seems to like him and I would bet he is safe. Now Housley on the other hand has to be the sacrificial lamb (even though Botts probably doesn't want to do it)
If Botts gets the next hire right, they have some hope to sell. But if the end of season presser states both Botts and Housley are back, might as well nuke Key Bank Centre because the team and fan base are doomed.
I have so little faith in Botterill getting anything right that perhaps he can have his blind squirrel moment with the new coaching hire.
I mostly just rage typed it
My only hope is that we win the lottery again, and ownership decides that maybe someone qualified would like the job of building around Dahlin and Hughes
I do have the occasional irrational thought that Botts master plan involves pingpong luck again. I am blaming the cold meds right now.
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What you expect from the guy who is more interested in gossip than hockey..harrington...
joshjull
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I dont see why Botts would have cared about the bonus unless he was told from above to care about it. Which effectively made his bluff to the Blues about it pointless. I’m sure they knew it and called him on it.
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sabremike
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If Skinner walks I have absolutely no idea how anyone could claim Botts isn't the absolute worst and most incompetent GM in the entire league with a straight face. He makes Garth Snow look like Bill Torrey because at least Garth actually managed to pull off some good moves in between all the stupid ones. For starters I would bet every dime I own that if he trades Risto he won't end up getting a Mat Barzal level player in return.
joshjull
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I didn’t like parting with Beaulieu. I think it was a mistake to give up on him. But I’m almost 100% positive moving Fedun was to get one of the prospects more games in Rochester. I think it was Dougherty since he’s also a RHD. I don’t really have an issue with that considering the amount of dmen in the organization right now even with Beaulieu and Fedun moved out for picks.
Right. I agree with you that Botterill wouldn’t have cared. I’m just wondering if it came from above him. If that’s the case we may have bigger issues.
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They are minor deals that are inconsequential. If anything, they let players who weren't going to get minutes on this team after Botterill stuffed the depth charts go to teams that would play them. That is something that UFA players will look at and remember. Being a GM is not playing NHL19, it is a human management just as much as it is a talent management role.
Sorry to beat this senseless. But have we ever figured out the Leafs trade from last draft????? I was with my father last weekend re-fuming over it.
I just need someone to repost Botterill’s “rationale” lol
I just need someone to repost Botterill’s “rationale” lol
I have some opinions on Jason Botterill....
First, Re-evaluating the Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foligno, Ennis, 3rd.
This trade was universally viewed in a very positive light. Two years later, it's another blemish on Botts embarrassing resume.
This is a hindsight analysis. So let's look at what we are left with and what Minnesota is left with:
2 years later Buffalo has:
- a 4 million dollar dead weight contract in 2019-20 (Scandella)
- the 117th pick in the 2018 draft
2 years later Minnesota has:
- 2 more years of one of the leagues best defensive power forwards at a great price (Foligno 2 yrs left at 2.875)
- 1.1 million in 2019-20 dead cap space from the Ennis buyout
- the 63rd pick in the 2018 draft
After two years of being the worst team in the league, Pominville has born no value/fruit. Justin Bailey could've played all those minutes and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
But there is a lot from this trade that contributed to the awfulness of the last 2 years.
Marcus Foligno was replaced by Benoit Pouliot:
View attachment 208313
Tyler Ennis was replaced by Jacob Josefson
View attachment 208317
Botts downgraded the roster in almost every way possible the last 2 years... from the big screw up that shall not be named, all the way down to the smallest moves:
1. like giving away Carrier, and replacing him with Nolan:
View attachment 208319
There's been a lot of issue raised about the lack of depth Botts had to work with thanks to the drunk spending spree Murray went on. But the reality is that there was depth, and Botts mishandled it through multiple trades/moves.
2. WhyTF is there a condition in the Sheary/Hunwick trade that if we trade Hunwick we owe Pittsburgh another pick? I've never heard of such nonsense. First, we are taking on the cap dump for Pittsburgh, but if Sheary turns out to actually be worthy of acquiring (scores 20) we owe Pittsburgh MORE. Then if Hunwick somehow turns out not to be the garbage Pitt thought he was, then we have to pay them for this miracle? We are doing Pittsburgh all the favors, but if the deal works out in our favor in any way... we owe them more??? This guy is the worst trade negotiator in history.
3. The conditional 1st in the Montour deal is the same thing. WTF are you doing? First, you make this trade in the offseason when you know where these picks stand. The difference in value between the 20th overall pick and the 31 st overall pick... is actually significant, and for some reason he decided to leave it up to the hockey gods to decide on the value we are willing to pay for Montour??? If you absolutely have to get Montour in season, then the condition on the 1st going to Anaheim MUST be the later of the STL and SJ picks. There's no way you should include a condition where another team's performance controls the quality of the 1st you're paying.
4. Beaulieu for a 6th and Fedun for a 7th
Do we care about depth or not?
First, Botts screwed the pooch by acquiring Hunwick and forcing Nelson down everyone's throat. He gave away 2 defensemen who are playing important roles on playoff teams. Look, if we didn't downgrade across the board in all the previous examples... and then made one dumb move to give away a useful defensemen... then who cares. But this is what death by a thousand paper cuts looks like:
View attachment 208335
No, instead we got treated to another year of this horror show:
View attachment 208339
And seriously, a 6th? Beaulieu stepped right in to their top pair. They had injuries and they needed help and all you got was a 6th? Toronto went to WPG, and gave them a pending UFA 13-4th forward... and got Petan. An asset far more useful than a god damn 6th round pick. 8 months ago you didn't even know what to do with a 6th round pick.
5. Sure... the Skinner acquisition was kind of a good move. But without an extension what is it really? The gap between the SJ 1st we acquired for Kane, and the 2nd we paid for Skinner might be 5-10 spots in the draft. We know that Botts doesn't see a value difference in that range (see the Montour conditions), so really... if Skinner doesn't re-sign. We essentially spent a 3rd, 6th, and Pu to rent an additional year of Kane (in the form of Skinner).
6. And Lehner... holy cripes... the guy is going to win the Masterson and the Jennings. Botts gave him away. There were numerous opportunities to help him get right. He needed a wake up call. Maybe exposing him in the expansion draft would've done the trick. Maybe waiving him to Rochester. Botts did nothing, and gave away another useful asset.
7. The Reinhart bridge...
8. Scott Wilson... could've been Qualified at something like 660k. Botts feared arbitration (i assume), so instead of even qualifying Wilson, he gave him a 2 year deal for 1 million per. Lol.... this is our cap genius.
Am I rambling yet???
Yes. I said this was a hindsight thread. And in hindsight Botts has gotten almost everything wrong. And so far he's been rewarded with Dahlin for his failures. Let's hope we get rewarded one more time... and cut ties immediately before he messes up the next thing.
There's a lot of really really easy things to bag on Botts for (that 'other trade', hiring Housley, handling of prospects, etc). I think those alone are fireable offenses... but then when you dig down in to the rest of his moves, the ones that seemed ok... even good at the time... and realize they're almost univerally bad in hindsight, that's when you really have to ask whether you are ok with this guy making another coaching hire and getting a minimum of an additional 2-3 years because of it.
And now the question as to whether to proof read and edit... or just post....
post
Good post. You may want to edit in one of my personal favorite "Inexplicable Botterill Moves": Trading the the first pick in the 2018 6th round (156 overall) to Toronto for the Leafs' 2019 6th. That Leafs 2019 6th rounder was always going to be a minimum of 20 spots lower than the 2018 6th. Then, as if to reinforce how terrible of a negotiator Botts is, literally minutes later Detroit traded 159th overall for CBJ's 2019 5th rounder. Good work, Botts. Detroit traded a worse 2018 pick than what we had for a better 2019 pick (probably by about 30-40 draft slots) than what we received...all in about a three-minute span.
The Botts defenders love to scream "ZOMG, stop complaining about a 6th round pick that will likely never amount to anything." They completely miss the point. The trade wasn't the biggest problem (though it was dumb), it's what it demonstrated about Botts: he makes head-scratching moves that don't make a lick of sense, and is a terrible negotiator.
I didn't see your post while I was typing up mine, but this one drives me nuts. I like to think that call went this way:
KD: "Hey Botts, it's Dubie. I'm going to be completely honest with you right now because I don't think you have the intellectual wherewithal to understand what I am about to say, so here goes. I want your 1st pick in the 6th round of this draft. I want to get whomever I pick into the organization and developing. In exchange, I am going to give you our 6th rounder next season. Now, you may be saying - but probably aren't because you're dumb - 'but Dubie, why would I trade my pick for a pick that will be one year later, in the same round, and likely 20-25 slots worse?' And that would be a fair question were you able to come up with it on your own. Since I'm being honest, you may be getting a call from Columbus in the next few minutes. They're going to offer you a pick that's 30-40 spots better than the one I'm currently offering you. I'm going to need you to ignore that call. So, do we have a deal."
JB: "...yes!"
EichHart
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I have some opinions on Jason Botterill....
First, Re-evaluating the Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foligno, Ennis, 3rd.
This trade was universally viewed in a very positive light. Two years later, it's another blemish on Botts embarrassing resume.
This is a hindsight analysis. So let's look at what we are left with and what Minnesota is left with:
2 years later Buffalo has:
- a 4 million dollar dead weight contract in 2019-20 (Scandella)
- the 117th pick in the 2018 draft
2 years later Minnesota has:
- 2 more years of one of the leagues best defensive power forwards at a great price (Foligno 2 yrs left at 2.875)
- 1.1 million in 2019-20 dead cap space from the Ennis buyout
- the 63rd pick in the 2018 draft
After two years of being the worst team in the league, Pominville has born no value/fruit. Justin Bailey could've played all those minutes and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
But there is a lot from this trade that contributed to the awfulness of the last 2 years.
Marcus Foligno was replaced by Benoit Pouliot:
View attachment 208313
Tyler Ennis was replaced by Jacob Josefson
View attachment 208317
Botts downgraded the roster in almost every way possible the last 2 years... from the big screw up that shall not be named, all the way down to the smallest moves:
1. like giving away Carrier, and replacing him with Nolan:
View attachment 208319
There's been a lot of issue raised about the lack of depth Botts had to work with thanks to the drunk spending spree Murray went on. But the reality is that there was depth, and Botts mishandled it through multiple trades/moves.
2. WhyTF is there a condition in the Sheary/Hunwick trade that if we trade Hunwick we owe Pittsburgh another pick? I've never heard of such nonsense. First, we are taking on the cap dump for Pittsburgh, but if Sheary turns out to actually be worthy of acquiring (scores 20) we owe Pittsburgh MORE. Then if Hunwick somehow turns out not to be the garbage Pitt thought he was, then we have to pay them for this miracle? We are doing Pittsburgh all the favors, but if the deal works out in our favor in any way... we owe them more??? This guy is the worst trade negotiator in history.
3. The conditional 1st in the Montour deal is the same thing. WTF are you doing? First, you make this trade in the offseason when you know where these picks stand. The difference in value between the 20th overall pick and the 31 st overall pick... is actually significant, and for some reason he decided to leave it up to the hockey gods to decide on the value we are willing to pay for Montour??? If you absolutely have to get Montour in season, then the condition on the 1st going to Anaheim MUST be the later of the STL and SJ picks. There's no way you should include a condition where another team's performance controls the quality of the 1st you're paying.
4. Beaulieu for a 6th and Fedun for a 7th
Do we care about depth or not?
First, Botts screwed the pooch by acquiring Hunwick and forcing Nelson down everyone's throat. He gave away 2 defensemen who are playing important roles on playoff teams. Look, if we didn't downgrade across the board in all the previous examples... and then made one dumb move to give away a useful defensemen... then who cares. But this is what death by a thousand paper cuts looks like:
View attachment 208335
No, instead we got treated to another year of this horror show:
View attachment 208339
And seriously, a 6th? Beaulieu stepped right in to their top pair. They had injuries and they needed help and all you got was a 6th? Toronto went to WPG, and gave them a pending UFA 13-4th forward... and got Petan. An asset far more useful than a god damn 6th round pick. 8 months ago you didn't even know what to do with a 6th round pick.
5. Sure... the Skinner acquisition was kind of a good move. But without an extension what is it really? The gap between the SJ 1st we acquired for Kane, and the 2nd we paid for Skinner might be 5-10 spots in the draft. We know that Botts doesn't see a value difference in that range (see the Montour conditions), so really... if Skinner doesn't re-sign. We essentially spent a 3rd, 6th, and Pu to rent an additional year of Kane (in the form of Skinner).
6. And Lehner... holy cripes... the guy is going to win the Masterson and the Jennings. Botts gave him away. There were numerous opportunities to help him get right. He needed a wake up call. Maybe exposing him in the expansion draft would've done the trick. Maybe waiving him to Rochester. Botts did nothing, and gave away another useful asset.
7. The Reinhart bridge...
8. Scott Wilson... could've been Qualified at something like 660k. Botts feared arbitration (i assume), so instead of even qualifying Wilson, he gave him a 2 year deal for 1 million per. Lol.... this is our cap genius.
Am I rambling yet???
Yes. I said this was a hindsight thread. And in hindsight Botts has gotten almost everything wrong. And so far he's been rewarded with Dahlin for his failures. Let's hope we get rewarded one more time... and cut ties immediately before he messes up the next thing.
There's a lot of really really easy things to bag on Botts for (that 'other trade', hiring Housley, handling of prospects, etc). I think those alone are fireable offenses... but then when you dig down in to the rest of his moves, the ones that seemed ok... even good at the time... and realize they're almost univerally bad in hindsight, that's when you really have to ask whether you are ok with this guy making another coaching hire and getting a minimum of an additional 2-3 years because of it.
And now the question as to whether to proof read and edit... or just post....
post
TLDR: Botts is not any better then Murray. Bring back Regier?
I think the key to any future success is getting the right person in Pegula's ear.
Lafontaine brought Murray in and the NHL directed Botts here.
Could they just staple Scotty Bowman to his hip to follow him around and say,
" No Terry, this guy is full of sh$t, we need to hire this guy and this guy. No Terry, this is not progress, this is not working. Trading this guy is not going to fix anything, it will hurt it more. No Terry, former success as a player means absolutely nothing when it comes to competency in the coaching and front office ranks."
It has to come from the top down and the Pegulas aren't knowledgeable enough to have the instincts on the heartbeat of the franchise.
Lafontaine brought Murray in and the NHL directed Botts here.
Could they just staple Scotty Bowman to his hip to follow him around and say,
" No Terry, this guy is full of sh$t, we need to hire this guy and this guy. No Terry, this is not progress, this is not working. Trading this guy is not going to fix anything, it will hurt it more. No Terry, former success as a player means absolutely nothing when it comes to competency in the coaching and front office ranks."
It has to come from the top down and the Pegulas aren't knowledgeable enough to have the instincts on the heartbeat of the franchise.
Totally. Everything Botts does is fraught with negligence and/or incompetence.
Draft-wise, they have what, five direct Murray picks in Rochester? Nylander, Asplund, Fitzgerald, Borgen, Cornel, Olofsson... okay six. Hopefully a few of them do graduate, they could use it.
I hated how they dealt with Beaulieu this season. He was noticeably better when he played at the start of the season and yet was still relegated to the press box. The return for useful players still remains painful.
My 14 year old son brings this one up to openly mock Botterill regularly. And Zip has the right of it - it is an example of incompetence not the actual return. Again, he makes no moves to leverage any advantage. Stop being nice, win something in trade.
joshjull
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You’ll get zero argument from me on the handling of Beaulieu. It drove me crazy.
sabremike
#1 Tageaholic
Then they wanted Nelson to be Beaulieu. Like... you HAD the guy who would have answered any bell and you tossed him out for nothing, after he outperformed some of the regulars who are still here.
I can't even...
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