Proposal: Jarry and Graves for D. Nurse and 2nd

DesertPenguin

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Pens could use a change of scenery defenseman, and should try to send one of those two back in return, but I don't think Nurse is it. They need a quiet, defensive Dman who's overpaid a couple mil. Someone who can't drive offense but can capablely babysit Letang or Karlsson.
 

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I mean... I suppose value is sort of a wash, but it doesn't help either team. I don't see why either club does it.

Nurse also exercises his NMC right now and for the foreseeable future. His team is a threat to go to the Finals and win a Cup. The Pens are probably finishing about 9th or 10th in the East.

The fact Nurse also has a full NMC on top of 9M is just mind boggling. And it's even complete buyout proof. What a disaster of a contract.
 
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THIRD BEST DEFENCEMAN? Yeah, for the OTHER TEAM.
Get out of here. Darnell Nurse has become the most underrated player in the league on HF. The guy is still a good player, he's just incredibly overpaid, by roughly 1/3. Give him an AAV of $6M and nobody cares about him, but he makes 9.25, and half the people here can't seem to differentiate between "overpaid" and "awful".
 

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Youre so wrong. The Oilers are going to buy Nurse out once it makes sense. If he magically waives his NMC, he'd be gone in any deal that came their way.

And 3rd best of the team means nothing there because that D core is atrocious.
That defense core (minus Ceci) got the Oilers to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals, with Nurse playing where he is now. We basically need to find Nurse a solid partner, and our defense core is fine to push for a cup run once again.

Nurse is a good 2nd pair defenseman, with flaws that come out when he tries to do too much. The issue is of course that he is paid like a #1 defenseman., and for a #1, "doing too much" shouldn't be a thing, and making those mistakes shouldn't happen either. But he is overpaid, and the Oilers need to work around that. Overpaid is not the same as being a bad player though. Nurse still has a spot on the Oilers, leading our 2nd defense pair.

If I am so wrong, can you explain what that trade actually does for Edmonton? It makes us a worse team today for sure. There's no way having Jarry as a backup is something any NHL team should be doing. Graves would do nothing but bump Brett Kulak to our 2nd pair, and we don't want that, Kulak is basically the perfect 3rd pair anchor. It gets us out of a contract of a guy who is overpaid by 2 - 3 M. per year, long term. I don't blame you for not wanting to take his contract, because you already have so much tied up in overpaid veteran defensemen, so I'm not saying Pittsburgh should do the deal, but its really a "take Edmonton's overpaid player for Pittsburgh's unwanted players" deal. That doesn't work for Edmonton.
 

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I realize that this isn't the narrative armchair GMs from other fanbases want to hear, but Nurse has been playing good hockey so far this season. It's early, but he has been pretty good.

Nurse has had a lot of defensive partners so far but that actually isn't on him. It is more like the team doesn't have a legit top 4 RHD to play with him. Stecher has been okay.

Bouchard is the one acting a bit flakey out there right now. He needs to calm down and just play his game.

Just sayin'.
 
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I realize that this isn't the narrative armchair GMs from other fanbases want to hear, but Nurse has been playing good hockey so far this season. It's early, but he has been pretty good.

Nurse has had a lot of defensive partners so far but that actually isn't on him. It is more like the team doesn't have a legit top 4 RHD to play with him. Stecher has been okay.

Bouchard is the one acting a bit flakey out there right now. He needs to calm down and just play his game.

Just sayin'.
Ironically, Graves has also been playing well. Arguably the Penguins most reliable defenseman so far this year.
 

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Ironically, Graves has also been playing well. Arguably the Penguins most reliable defenseman so far this year.

It's been a weird start of the NHL season in Edmonton this year.

The Oilers PK is dead last in the league, 32nd, at 55%. The PP is almost dead last. 30th I think.

Slow, slow start.
 
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It's been a weird start of the NHL season in Edmonton this year.

The Oilers PK is dead last in the league, 32nd, at 55%. The PP is almost dead last. 30th I think.

Slow, slow start.
The PK I can kind of understand. A few new faces on there, trying to replace McLeod and Desharnais by committee, atrocious goaltending. All makes sense.

The PP is an entirely different story. Absolutely no excuse for them to be as bad as they've been. If our PP clicks at the rate it should be we're probably 4-2 instead of 2-4.
 

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The PK I can kind of understand. A few new faces on there, trying to replace McLeod and Desharnais by committee, atrocious goaltending. All makes sense.

The PP is an entirely different story. Absolutely no excuse for them to be as bad as they've been. If our PP clicks at the rate it should be we're probably 4-2 instead of 2-4.

It would be nice to pry a guy like Scott Laughton out of Philly. A feisty two way forward who is a dangerous scorer on the PK is just what this team needs.
 
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Nurse is overpaid by what, 3M? Jarry doesn't look like an NHL goalie at the moment. Graves is probably overpaid by 2M.

Overall as I sit here in October, the 2nd is on the wrong side...
 
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I happen to think he will bail out EDM of this deal. Graves going the other way would make sense. Not sure about Jarry maybe another contract
 

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Dubas loves his Soo players

I happen to think he will bail out EDM of this deal. Graves going the other way would make sense. Not sure about Jarry maybe another contract
The OP of this thread was to get rid of Jarry with another worst contract, so if you take Jarry out of the equation what's even the point of this.
 
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Nurse is a finnicky player who plays well with undersized D who can make plays it seems like, his best seasons were with Barrie and he seemed to mesh well with an inexperienced Bear before that.

The Oilers put him with Troy Stetcher the last two games and his game immediately improves, 2 points, +2 in the last two Oiler games, both wins.

Go figure.

He plays meaner and more aggressive when he's the only big guy on his pairing for whatever reason.
Stecher is a solid defensive d-man who can cover for Nurse's weaknesses and is adept at clearing the puck out of the zone and extremely poised. I would wager that's why Nurse has been doing well. Being paired with a guy who can move the puck out in a pinch helps a lot.
 

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Nurse is overpaid by what, 3M? Jarry doesn't look like an NHL goalie at the moment. Graves is probably overpaid by 2M.

Overall as I sit here in October, the 2nd is on the wrong side...
Jarry's goals saved above expected/60 is actually better this year than either Oilers goalie. He's been bad, but he's not Husso or Georgiev level.
 

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Get out of here. Darnell Nurse has become the most underrated player in the league on HF. The guy is still a good player, he's just incredibly overpaid, by roughly 1/3. Give him an AAV of $6M and nobody cares about him, but he makes 9.25, and half the people here can't seem to differentiate between "overpaid" and "awful".
I agree with you. If someone signed Nurse to a 6x6 deal. He'd be overpaid but you'd be fine since you got a mid pairing D and those are needed in this NHL.
 
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I agree with you. If someone signed Nurse to a 6x6 deal. He'd be overpaid but you'd be fine since you got a mid pairing D and those are needed in this NHL.
Where I get annoyed is where other fanbases want Nurse retained to 6 million AND they want to send over dumps AND they want Edmonton to add more. That's insane. Nurse at 6 million has value. Not a LOT of value, but some.
 

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Where I get annoyed is where other fanbases want Nurse retained to 6 million AND they want to send over dumps AND they want Edmonton to add more. That's insane. Nurse at 6 million has value. Not a LOT of value, but some.
So here's the thing. For me Nurse at 6x6 is a ufa signing which only thing needed is cap space.

I personally wouldn't want to pay for Nurse at 6 million unless it was free.
 

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But that's different than wanting to send your junk back and wanting Edmonton to add a bunch of stuff, right?
I'd say if Edmonton had a 6 million dollar Nurse available. Then it would probably be two teams looking to do a cap swap with no extras or the team taking a 6 million Nurse gives little to no cap and gets extra with it so Edmonton can use it.

But yes a cap swap at 6 million with extras for Nurse I can't see Edmonton doing that.
 
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But that's different than wanting to send your junk back and wanting Edmonton to add a bunch of stuff, right?
1. There's not a lot of teams that have a space $6mil in cap space laying around. So taking back a cap dump is incredibly reasonable.
2. With taking on Nurse's contract comes risk. You have to still hope that he plays up to the contract. It's slightly less risk if it's at $6mil but the Oilers are the ones selling the damaged goods.
3. There's also an aspect of "why does a team want to help Edmonton unless they are also getting something back?" Now, yeah, if someone is asking for Nurse @6mil, top prospects, and a 1st for several cap dumps, go ahead and ignore that. I think what most are thinking is a "crap for crap" trade with Edmonton having to pay a bit more due to contract imbalances.
 
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1. There's not a lot of teams that have a space $6mil in cap space laying around. So taking back a cap dump is incredibly reasonable.
2. With taking on Nurse's contract comes risk. You have to still hope that he plays up to the contract. It's slightly less risk if it's at $6mil but the Oilers are the ones selling the damaged goods.
3. There's also an aspect of "why does a team want to help Edmonton unless they are also getting something back?" Now, yeah, if someone is asking for Nurse @6mil, top prospects, and a 1st for several cap dumps, go ahead and ignore that. I think what most are thinking is a "crap for crap" trade with Edmonton having to pay a bit more due to contract imbalances.
What Pittsburgh is sending back in this scenario is every bit as junk as Nurse is, though. It's maybe a bit more manageable because it's split over two contracts, but still.

Nurse has struggles - a lot of them - but he's still a top 4 D. I think if Edmonton wanted to send him to a team that had the space available, they wouldn't have to work too hard to do so at 6 mil - outside of his trade protection.

Horrendous contract though. Thanks Holland.
 
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1. There's not a lot of teams that have a space $6mil in cap space laying around. So taking back a cap dump is incredibly reasonable.
2. With taking on Nurse's contract comes risk. You have to still hope that he plays up to the contract. It's slightly less risk if it's at $6mil but the Oilers are the ones selling the damaged goods.
3. There's also an aspect of "why does a team want to help Edmonton unless they are also getting something back?" Now, yeah, if someone is asking for Nurse @6mil, top prospects, and a 1st for several cap dumps, go ahead and ignore that. I think what most are thinking is a "crap for crap" trade with Edmonton having to pay a bit more due to contract imbalances.

The problem with your argument, and it pervades these boards, is that Nurse isn't crap.

/rant on

A host of posters offer garbage for Darnell Nurse and bash him endlessly and they've never seen him play. They just read these boards and posts from other fans who have never seen him play and maybe the same on twitter and think they understand what kind of player he is. They don't.

Oiler fans eviscerate him for other reasons.

If Nurse was paid less Oiler fans (and others) wouldn't dunk on him like they do. The truth of the matter is Edmonton is a blue collar town and when they see a player get paid a lot they have little patience for any sort of mistake. A lot of Oiler fans, and local media, will make life hell for a player here if they feel:

a) they aren't working hard or

b) getting paid too much or

c) god forbid both


Nurse works hard, but he makes some bonehead errors at times. Other times he is solid and plays with a mean streak. He'll never win the Norris but he is a top 4 defenseman. The real crime he committed is that he took the Oilers to the cleaners with his contract. And whose fault was that? Kenny Holland and the Oilers brass, that's who.

They kept bridging Nurse instead of extending him. Then Klefbom gets hurt and is gone indefinitely. So who do the Oilers have to log heavy minutes? Nurse is their only option and he was a pending UFA. So he got paid an insane amount for what he brings. Full NMC. Full Term. In a cap world that is entirely the fault of the organization.

As of the current day posters who offer cap dumps and healthy scratches for Nurse ignore, or are ignorant of, the fact that Nurse once played top minutes for this team before Ekholm arrived. Hell, Nurse played 60 minutes in a double overtime playoff game. Guys who are garbage don't do that.

So no, terrible offer for a player that, for all his faults, is a decent defenseman isn't doing the Oilers any favors.

There, I said it. Nurse is a decent defenseman.

/rant off
 

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