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11Alfredsson said:
You acknowledge the fact that defensemen take longer to develop yet you are ready to throw Cowen under the bus after only playing 146 NHL games?
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He'll have a long NHL career, but I think it will be more 'Andy Sutton' and less 'Zdeno Chara'. As such, I don't consider him to be a core piece of this team moving forward.

I also think the difference between he and Gryba moving forward will be marginal at best; meanwhile, other organizations would surely overpay for Cowen given his draft status. So, from an asset management perspective, I think it would be prudent to move Cowen and keep Gryba, if a choice had to be made regarding moving a defensive defenseman.
 
LeTigre said:
He'll have a long NHL career, but I think it will be more 'Andy Sutton' and less 'Zdeno Chara'. As such, I don't consider him to be a core piece of this team moving forward.

I also think the difference between he and Gryba moving forward will be marginal at best; meanwhile, other organizations would surely overpay for Cowen given his draft status. So, from an asset management perspective, I think it would be prudent to move Cowen and keep Gryba, if a choice had to be made regarding moving a defensive defenseman.
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Gryba makes just as much bone headed plays and he's playing on the 3rd pairing with much easier assignments.
 
11Alfredsson said:
Gryba makes just as much bone headed plays and he's playing on the 3rd pairing with much easier assignments.
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Gryba is more conscientious of his limitations. Plays within himself. I'm not suggesting he's more or less talented, but that's the way it is, to me. Cowen is in a mental fog half the time.
 
LeTigre said:
He'll have a long NHL career, but I think it will be more 'Andy Sutton' and less 'Zdeno Chara'. As such, I don't consider him to be a core piece of this team moving forward.

I also think the difference between he and Gryba moving forward will be marginal at best; meanwhile, other organizations would surely overpay for Cowen given his draft status. So, from an asset management perspective, I think it would be prudent to move Cowen and keep Gryba, if a choice had to be made regarding moving a defensive defenseman.
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Im confused why can't the sens keep them both? Or how about Cowen get's a couple years to learn how to play?
I just don't get how Cowen is a bust because he isn't a superstar, he does a fine job for a young guy.
You people think because someone isn't a star player they should be moved of the team. It's crazy talk
Everyone makes excuses for EK and Spezza you know they were hurt, it takes time...
But nooo not cowen, he isn't a star so lets act like no second year dman has ever made mistakes, because you know everyone who has ever made and stayed in the NHL is a first line go to guy or bust I guess

Let's face the facts someone is going to have to clear guys Like Lucic in front of the net on the pk and it isn't going to be EK
 
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supsens said:
Im confused why can't the sens keep them both? Or how about Cowen get's a couple years to learn how to play?
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If Cowen needs a couple of years to learn, it shouldn't be at the expense of prime Karlsson years.

I just don't get how Cowen is a bust because he isn't a superstar, he does a fine job for a young guy.
You people think because someone isn't a star player they should be moved of the team. It's crazy talk
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When you draft a player as high as Cowen, they either should reach a certain baseline level of play to validate the investment a team has made into them, or be moved for a player or package that gives you that value. I don't think that Cowen projects to be a top pairing defenseman in today's NHL, but I have a feeling that other teams are willing to pay high prices for him. That's why I think he should be moved. Asset management.

Everyone makes excuses for EK and Spezza you know they were hurt, it takes time...
But nooo not cowen, he isn't a star so lets act like no second year dman has ever made mistakes, because you know everyone who has ever made and stayed in the NHL is a first line go to guy or bust I guess

Let's face the facts someone is going to have to clear guys Like Lucic in front of the net on the pk and it isn't going to be EK
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Ok. Gryba, Methot? Ceci down the line? We aren't lacking strength on this blueline; we have an abundance of it. We're lacking ability. Additionally, Spezza and Karlsson provide offense to offset defensive deficiencies. Cowen has nothing to fall back on when he falters defensively, as has happened often this year.
 
3 months ago he gave an quote to the citizen saying he was still having a hard time finding his rhythm. http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/2984/jared-cowen Its the fifth one down the page. After that hip injury and missing most of camp im not surprised. I dont think we should trade him he needs to play through it but it shouldnt be on the top pair. In an ideal world we could send him to bingo to work it out with coach Richardson. But even with the bad year he has had so far he has done some stuff alright, at least hes hitting and blocking shots, gotta take some positives from this it cant be all negitive all the time.
 
LeTigre said:
Gryba is more conscientious of his limitations. Plays within himself. I'm not suggesting he's more or less talented, but that's the way it is, to me. Cowen is in a mental fog half the time.
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Maybe the team should not be depending on a defenseman making 1.5 million this season to play top four minutes.

As a bottom pair D I feel Cowen would be having a great season.

Management/Ownership has not put him in a situation that he will excel in.
 
The Fuhr said:
Maybe the team should not be depending on a defenseman making 1.5 million this season to play top four minutes.

As a bottom pair D I feel Cowen would be having a great season.

Management/Ownership has not put him in a situation that he will excel in.
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Agreed to an extent. Not with the usage of the word 'great', but in principle I think you're bang on.
 
11Alfredsson said:
Gryba makes just as much bone headed plays and he's playing on the 3rd pairing with much easier assignments.
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Not sure if Gryba is playing 3rd pairing minutes. He plays against the other teams best lines at home and other teams avoid him on the road. Truth is the opposition teams want their best players against Cowen and Karlsson. I wonder why? I think the answer was most obvious in the Boston game.

Not sure where you get your info. He got 3rd pairing minutes playing with Wiercioch and I don't think that was because of him. Wiercioch and Ceci are better defensively and that doesn't say much.
 
LeTigre said:
If Cowen needs a couple of years to learn, it shouldn't be at the expense of prime Karlsson years.


When you draft a player as high as Cowen, they either should reach a certain baseline level of play to validate the investment a team has made into them, or be moved for a player or package that gives you that value. I don't think that Cowen projects to be a top pairing defenseman in today's NHL, but I have a feeling that other teams are willing to pay high prices for him. That's why I think he should be moved. Asset management.


Ok. Gryba, Methot? Ceci down the line? We aren't lacking strength on this blueline; we have an abundance of it. We're lacking ability. Additionally, Spezza and Karlsson provide offense to offset defensive deficiencies. Cowen has nothing to fall back on when he falters defensively, as has happened often this year.
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Who cares when he was drafted, he was hurt and Murray took a stab in the dark, that is not his fault, if other teams would pay a high price for him should that not tell you something? Or he is good enough for some teams but not the power house sens?
We already gave away a super star goalie, I don't think we should give away a solid Dman while we are at it

Gryba is a few years older and is probably not going to get much better then he is today, Methot could be on the UFA high payday out of town train, you never know. I see no need to trade a giant monster that has not even played 300 games yet, after 300 games if he is not good, well he is no good.
Phillips never reached his draft pick potential or even close but he sure made a spot for himself on a strong team for a lot of years. I can see the same thing happen for cowen, and even then he is smart enough to start punching faces every other night if he thinks he can't make it on play alone.
And if the sens were deep on D they would be in a playoff spot
 
Trade Cowen to an unsuspecting GM for a top 6 forward

Boom, upgrade on defense AND forward!
 
How many goals can be caused by Cowen's horrible defensive awareness before he gets benched?

So far it's 7 in his last 4 periods...
 
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