Jared Cowen

[supsens]

Bad coaching makes everyone look bad, especially young players.

lol right, our best line would be a second line on a good team, a third line on one of the contenders, our best dman can not defend if his life depended on it, you guys somehow think every single boarderline nhl prospect we have should be playing 20 minutes a night.
Spezza the captain and leader sucks most nights and only plays half the rink,

our great depth
zbad 24 points and - 13
MM 25 points and - 22
conchar 20 points not a stinky minus like the others, but 4 goals and hands of stone.

I think the GM should be pointed at some time for the team he has built, not the coach and not some second year dman who is second on the team in hits, first in blocked shots and only a -2 when everyones hero the captain is a -23

our top 3 paid players that are not allowed to be scratched have the worst + - on the team, and if you watch them you can see why

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I wish I could share the optimism of some with regards to Cowen, but unfortunately, I am unable to at this time.

He was horrendous to start the season, and yes he has improved a great deal since then, but he still sucks.

It's like he's gone from a modern nuke that would obliterate a 50 KM radius to the nuke dropped on Hiroshima.

Not as destructive, but still pretty damn awful.

Part of the blame can be put at the feet of the NHL. One week, they're fine with huge highlight hits, the next week, any kind of hit is a suspension. A lot of guys like Cowen who have size and physical play as a big part of their arsenal are skating dazed & confused right now.

Cowen has some good game, some bad game, some inconsistency. He's missed so much time due to injury...hard to really say what he'll eventually become.

It does look like his hockey IQ and decision making are a bit slow. Not sure if it's his inexperience, the team system (or lack of it) overall, the lack of a veteran defensive partner to take the pressure off, or just a limit to his hockey IQ.

 

[Indrew]

I find it incredible that this modern-day hydrogen bomb is only a -2. What a stat, that plus/minus.

 

[Benttheknee]

Patience is a virtue guys. This team is simply too young and inexperienced. Turris was a 2007 pick and is only now a talented NHL player. Hedman in Tampa was a dud and is now a stud. The Sens have 4 defensemen with under 200 games played in the NHL.

The rebuild is in full gear and it is looking really good. The team could ride the talent they have in the NHL right now and be a very solid team for 5+ years. It takes 6+ years after a draft to get the talent up to NHL speed.

 

[Hossa18]

In case anyone forgot, from his first game back from injury last season.

And where has that been this year? I like Cowen and don't want to give up on him because of this. He has to play that style to be effective and so far this year he hasn't. He doesn't hit and he doesn't fight anymore and therefore doesn't intimidate either.

 

[bert]

actually no since dec he has been good more often than not


it isnt a surprise the 4 guys coming off a summer of rehab are only starting too look good half way through the season (karlsson cowen spezza and michalek) they need reps to get going and that is what ottawa is giving them

He is playing with the best defenseman in the game, I would hope he looks ok.

He hasn't had hockey sense or puck skills since hew as terrible at the world juniors in back to back years. The amount of excuses in this thread denying the obvious is incredible. He is bad, there are no two ways about it he has no hockey sense and he is arrogant. Yes he has great physical tools but he has no ability to A. read the play and B. improve. If you think its everyone elses fault and cant admit when you make a mistake you are bad. He is constantly pointing at people in the D zone when not looking after his job, whining to the refs when he gets a penalty it makes me sick. He held out this is the part that really gets me, why did he hold out when he has only played 90 games in the NHL. I can think of a lot of reasons why and none of them are good.

 

[Hossa18]

Was him holding out based on his own decision? Or was it what his agent told him to do?

Does it really matter? At the end of the day he employs his agent and not the other way around.

 

[Dysmal]

Can we not compare Cowen to Chara? When did Chara "breakout" as an elite top pairing defenceman? After 4-5 NHL seasons?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Does it really matter? At the end of the day he employs his agent and not the other way around.

LOL he employs an agent to advise him on business decisions. If he didn't need an agent to help him with that stuff...he wouldn't have an agent.

 

[YNWA14]

Can we not compare Cowen to Chara? When did Chara "breakout" as an elite top pairing defenceman? After 4-5 NHL seasons?

I didn't watch any of Chara in New York, but his first season in Ottawa he was a +30 with 23 points in 77 games. I would be happy if Cowen was ever that good.

 

[umma gumma]

Can we not compare Cowen to Chara? When did Chara "breakout" as an elite top pairing defenceman? After 4-5 NHL seasons?

Chara was traded after 231 games with the Islanders, and wasn't the center piece of the deal. Although very good in his first season with Ottawa, he was a different player for the the last 3. I would say he needed about 380 games (231 NYI + 149 OTT). Cowen is currently at 146 games played.

 

[umma gumma]

I didn't watch any of Chara in New York, but his first season in Ottawa he was a +30 with 23 points in 77 games. I would be happy if Cowen was ever that good.

Chara was a glorified goon on the Island, or a better version of Carkner.

 

[Hossa18]

LOL he employs an agent to advise him on business decisions. If he didn't need an agent to help him with that stuff...he wouldn't have an agent.

No, really.....But he also has to agree with the agent. Many players have fired agents because they couldn't agree with them. At the end of the day, he is the boss and makes the final decision.

 

[The Fuhr*]

Cowen makes 1.5 this season

On pace 79GP 4G 17Pts 248Hits and since his suspension has been averaging 22 minutes a game

Find me a better UFA age defenseman doing what Cowen is doing for cheaper ?

He's giving the team top four minutes for 1.5 million

It's cause the teams cheap he's being forced to play against tougher competition then he should

 

[LuckyPierre]

Cowen was a top ten pick. He 'would have' been picked even higher save for injury troubles. There were expectations that he would make an impact in the NHL at a young age. While he had a solid rookie season, he was abysmal against the Rangers come playoff time, and has been bad since.

Chara was a middling pick. There were no real expectations. He was mediocre for quite a while. It was his relentless work ethic on and off the ice, and his accountability to his teammates that put him over the top, though.

Meanwhile, top ten pick Jared Cowen skips training camps like it's no big deal, despite missing plenty of time to serious injuries.

Other than the fact that one is big, and the other is the biggest, the parallels aren't there. I never questioned Chara's heart, even after that Buffalo series in 2006. Cowen hasn't shown me that he gives a single ****.

 

[TristanH]

Totally agree.. there will be a lot of posters eating their words when Cowen proves them wrong.

You are insane to throw this guy under the bus.. he has a ton of upswing potential. You could go 1 by 1 through the majority of this roster this season and criticize. He has played poorly through stretches this season.. but really who hasn't apart from a few select guys.

I am pumped about this guy looking at the bigger picture.

The bottom line.. we are 1 point out of a playoff spot, 2 guys going to the olympics.. and more then enough time to solidify a playoff birth this season.

GO SENS GO!

Cowen makes 1.5 this season

On pace 79GP 4G 17Pts 248Hits and since his suspension has been averaging 22 minutes a game

Find me a better UFA age defenseman doing what Cowen is doing for cheaper ?

He's giving the team top four minutes for 1.5 million

It's cause the teams cheap he's being forced to play against tougher competition then he should

 

[LuckyPierre]

Cowen makes 1.5 this season

On pace 79GP 4G 17Pts 248Hits and since his suspension has been averaging 22 minutes a game

Find me a better UFA age defenseman doing what Cowen is doing for cheaper ?

He's giving the team top four minutes for 1.5 million

It's cause the teams cheap he's being forced to play against tougher competition then he should

"Doing what Cowen is doing". Flubbing outlet passes, consistently icing the puck, not producing offensively despite getting heavy minutes with Karlsson, and not having a defensive GPS? Besides his size, which admittedly does help in certain situations, he offers little else, yet is rewarded with top minutes. There are plenty of other options.

Methot can do his job. He would, in fact, be an upgrade. Bottom two pairings can be shuffled, and we can promote a Boro or Claesson.
Cowen can be traded for top six forward help, and voila, we're a better team.

 

[Qward]

Cowen was a top ten pick. He 'would have' been picked even higher save for injury troubles. There were expectations that he would make an impact in the NHL at a young age. While he had a solid rookie season, he was abysmal against the Rangers come playoff time, and has been bad since.

Chara was a middling pick. There were no real expectations. He was mediocre for quite a while. It was his relentless work ethic on and off the ice, and his accountability to his teammates that put him over the top, though.

Meanwhile, top ten pick Jared Cowen skips training camps like it's no big deal, despite missing plenty of time to serious injuries.

Other than the fact that one is big, and the other is the biggest, the parallels aren't there. I never questioned Chara's heart, even after that Buffalo series in 2006. Cowen hasn't shown me that he gives a single ****.

He didn't "skip like it's no big deal." He was in contract negotiations. You cannot participate in training camp unless you have a contract in place. Those are the rules. He was working out on his own, not sitting on the couch eating funions.

He should not be on the top pairing this year. He should be working with a vet again.

I honestly think the reason he is on the top pairing and Methot is not, is because Cowen is locked into a deal, Methot is coming up on free agency. They do not want to pay Methot more than he is worth.

 

[LuckyPierre]

He didn't "skip like it's no big deal." He was in contract negotiations. You cannot participate in training camp unless you have a contract in place. Those are the rules. He was working out on his own, not sitting on the couch eating funions.

He should not be on the top pairing this year. He should be working with a vet again.

I honestly think the reason he is on the top pairing and Methot is not, is because Cowen is locked into a deal, Methot is coming up on free agency. They do not want to pay Methot more than he is worth.

So "working out on his own" didn't diminish his conditioning level? Please.

 

[Hossa18]

He didn't "skip like it's no big deal." He was in contract negotiations. You cannot participate in training camp unless you have a contract in place. Those are the rules. He was working out on his own, not sitting on the couch eating funions.

He should not be on the top pairing this year. He should be working with a vet again.

I honestly think the reason he is on the top pairing and Methot is not, is because Cowen is locked into a deal, Methot is coming up on free agency. They do not want to pay Methot more than he is worth.

I agree that Cowen needs to play with a veteran but all of our veterans play on the left side.

 

[Qward]

I agree that Cowen needs to play with a veteran but all of our veterans play on the left side.

Never should have let Gonchar go.

 

[StefanW]

Never should have let Gonchar go.

2 X $5MM. If we paid him that cash we would have been screwed from a budget point of view.

 

[Hossa18]

Never should have let Gonchar go.

I agree but our owner wouldn't have paid that extra salary.

 

[BankStreetParade]

2 X $5MM. If we paid him that cash we would have been screwed from a budget point of view.

If we had kept Gonchar we would have been stupid. Gryba, Weircioch, Cowen all need playing time to develop. Whether people like it or not these guys need time to iron out the inconsistencies in their game. Playing a veteran ahead of them and making them watch from the pressbox might give us a marginally better chance to win games now (and I mean really marginal) but give us nothing going forward. The sooner these guys get the needed playing time under their belt the better going forward for the team.

 

[Spez]

We sure miss Gonchar and his 18 pts this season for 5 million