Jared Bednar Discussion

[CobraAcesS]

If we were to get rid of Bednar, what are people’s preferred replacement? Obviously Q has been brought up multiple times but who else?

Gallant could be an option. He has a short shelf life, but he gets the most out of his teams during that time.

 

[amigo]

With all this injuries, new and underachieving players this team need something that they dont have and thats time to regroup and heal. No one could change this over night and bringing new coach in the middle of season would only push them further down not up. Lets hope this upcoming break will help a bit.

 

[Balthazar]

Gallant could be an option. He has a short shelf life, but he gets the most out of his teams during that time.

Off the top of my head:

Quenneville
Gallant
Woodcroft
Boudreau (?)

Yep, and I knew you'd severely understate precisely why I'm against his hiring.

He'd legit be the best hire by a country mile though. Like for on-ice results.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Off the top of my head:

Quenneville
Gallant
Woodcroft
Boudreau (?)


He'd legit be the best hire by a country mile though. Like for on-ice results.

Not saying he’d be great here, or even if I’d want him but I want Boudreau to get another head coaching gig.

 

[Pokecheque]

Off the top of my head:

Quenneville
Gallant
Woodcroft
Boudreau (?)


He'd legit be the best hire by a country mile though. Like for on-ice results.

Yes, yes I know he's an elite coach, and the best candidate to break Scotty Bowman's win record, which could possibly put him in line for consideration as the best coach ever. Doesn't matter.

I think Boudreau would be a decent hire, at least when he gets pissed off at his charges, he makes no effort to hide it.

Gallant would be purely quick-fix. I wouldn't trust him at all. Literally everywhere he's gone, he's gotten into it with management.

I don't even want to consider Woodcroft, though I would think he'd bring Josh's old man with him.

 

[NikB]

If you take a look at the list of Avs players who have played significant stints with both the Avs and other teams over the last few years, most of them have their best performance under Bednar.

Overachievers:
Kadri
Burakovsky
Lehkonen
Drouin
Compher
Graves
JMFJ
EJ
Byram
Manson

At Par Achievers:
Newhook
Mitts
Erod
Wood
Colton

Underachievers:
Johansen
Tatar

Jury is out on Necas, Drury, and Rantanen, but I think we’ll see the same trend.

Honestly, who should Bednar really have gotten more out of over the last few years?

 

[Balthazar]

I think Boudreau would be a decent hire

IMO we're are the point where the Avs need a good X an 0 coach, not a players' coach.

The depth is too thin and the legs are getting older. They don't need motivation they need a gameplan adapted to what they are now and not what they were 3 years ago.

 

[LOFIN]

f*** Boudreau, f*** Gallant, f*** Woodcroft.

I can't seriously belive some people are suggesting Gallant and Woodcroft. Boudreau I get, because he's a nice guy. Shitty coach, but a nice guy. Exactly what we need, right?

I don't like the prospect of hiring Quenneville for obvious reasons, but if you fire Bednar you better replace him with a good coach. None of the above are good coaches.

 

[Balthazar]

f*** Boudreau, f*** Gallant, f*** Woodcroft.

I can't seriously belive some people are suggesting Gallant and Woodcroft. Boudreau I get, because he's a nice guy. Shitty coach, but a nice guy. Exactly what we need, right?

I don't like the prospect of hiring Quenneville for obvious reasons, but if you fire Bednar you better replace him with a good coach. None of the above are good coaches.

Well it's too late for Mclellan.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I'm gonna keep saying it..........be very careful of what you wish for.

 

[Bender]

So until last night, I was on the fence about Bednar.

After that loss, I think a change has to be made. Sure, Girard made a stupid ass play that led to a face off in our own end. It was bad, really bad but C-Mac just went out and got you a guy that's almost 60% on face offs and you throw out Mitts out there to take the faceoff?

Unacceptable. It wasn't icing...it was his choice. I don't even care if Drury had just gotten off or not. Stop thinking faceoffs don't matter, you tool!!!

So all day I've been thinking about this. I started thinking about how he always overplays his top guys - some might say out of necessity - but I don't think it's just that. I think he overplays his top guys as much as he does because that's the only advantage he can exploit against other teams.

Put it this way, when is the last time that anyone could suggest that he outcoached...'anyone'? I really can't think of one situation where I thought, he did such a great job coaching.

Conversely, I absolutely remember coach Q leading the Avs to the playoffs 2 out 3 years here with teams that didn't have playoff rosters. The other year, they barely missed. Now that's a f***ing coach!

So then we keep losing series : against the kraken which was 100% winnable, against pete deboer (vgk/dal) who isn't some sort of genius but knows how to counter your system and you apparently have no answer to that.

When you really think about it, the only time you won was when your GM assembled almost an all-star team AND you didn't have to face deboer ?

I don't know if they'll make a change this year but we need some new ideas. I'm not seeing much in terms of anything changing on a nightly basis. Seems like if we win 'we played hard enough and had good execution' and if we lost it's because we didn't.

If Q isn't available/being shun or whatever, then I want David Carle. That guy is a winner.

 

[S E P H]

Some stats to throw at you:

	For	Against
Shots	13th	5th
Scoring Chances	3rd	13th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Goals For	13th	7th	9th
Goals Against	30th	11th	29th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Power Play	6th	31st	12th
Penalty Kill	29th	9th	25h

In other words, Bednar is still coaching the team well. Colorado has actually increased their goal output this month, despite one stinkin' power play tally.

But context matters. In last night's snoozefest, a functional power play could've changed the game. Instead, it cost them the game, thanks to the shortie allowed.

Does anybody have an update on these stats? Curious what they look like a month and some change later.

 

[shadow1]

Does anybody have an update on these stats? Curious what they look like a month and some change later.

	For	Against
Shots	10th	5th
Scoring Chances	6th	10th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Goals For	13th	3rd	8th
Goals Against	30th	11th	22nd

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Power Play	6th	30th	20th
Penalty Kill	29th	3rd	14th

Improvements in green, reductions in red. Yes, somehow the Power Play being at 30th was an improvement.

 

[Vaslof]

A Sad day for this thread o7

 

[RoyIsALegend]

A Sad day for this thread o7

Because we finally won a home game?

Against a shitty ass team?

 

[Sea Eagles]

Jared Bednar is the best coach in the NHL. How he gets players to improve, and gets us to win the majority of the time despite injuries is second to none.

 

[Sea Eagles]

@Balthazar , you laughed mate, but I want to list some players for you :

Donskoi
Burakovsky
Nichushkin
Kadri
Lehkonen

etc etc etc ... I could keep going. How much has Bednar improved them ?

Also, almost every year, we deal with almost top of the league number of injuries. Many teams would use that as an excuse.

Not our coach. He remains success regardless of setbacks.

 

[Pokecheque]

Eh, I still like him. Needs to get a haircut though. Bring back the classic coif.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

He lost the room.

 

[forsbergavs32]

He lost the room.

I thought the only thing he's lost is the trainers.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I thought the only thing he's lost is the trainers.

You can't lose what you don't know existed.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I hate how this guy's coaching strategy is just to load up the top line and play them 25 minutes a night

He could very easily split up Nate and Marty and roll those lines 18-20 mins each

 

[dahrougem2]

I hate how this guy's coaching strategy is just to load up the top line and play them 25 minutes a night

He could very easily split up Nate and Marty and roll those lines 18-20 mins each

I wish it was more media uproar. In Edmonton, the reason coaches like McLellan and Woodcroft got fired - goaltending notwithstanding - was their inability to separate McDavid and Draisaitl. Any time they had a big game, they loaded them on a line together. When they split them up, the instant shit got tough it was right back to 97/29.

Knoblauch has kept them apart almost entirely at 5v5 since his arrival and it has done wonders for the Oilers, especially since he - unlike McLellan and Woodcroft especially - has also cut their minutes by 1-2 per game which over the long haul has a drastic impact on performance.

 

[PAZ]

Bednar has his flaws, but there's really only two situations I want to move on from him in the next year or two:

1. A good coach like Cooper, Sullivan, or Cassidy shakes loose.
2. The Avs are healthy but are clearly checked out and have a losing record.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Bednar has his flaws, but there's really only two situations I want to move on from him in the next year or two:

1. A good coach like Cooper, Sullivan, or Cassidy shakes loose.
2. The Avs are healthy but are clearly checked out and have a losing record.

At this point... I'm joining the number of folks that would like to be the team that allows Coach Q to redeem himself.

1. He's better than Bednar.
2. Joe knows the guy personally. I would trust his judgement on this. If he's okay with it, I would be as well.

As for your second point, the first half has already occured about a year ago... and we are working towards the second half of your point as a result.

You'd rather hit some threshold, I'd rather nip this in the bud (although it's technically too late for that) and course correct now.