GDT: Jan. 5, 2006 - Gold Medal Game: Russia vs. Canada

[67Cup]

I don't believe in taunting or getting into mindless exchanges on these boards. I can also understand venting after one's team has lost a disappointing game. I've done it myself from time to time.

But there does need to be a touch of reality here. The two teams played twice. The first score was 8-1 (Sure, sure, it was an exhibition and Malkin wasn't there. But the the rest of the Russians were present, at least in theory. If they gave up late in the game, that's their problem.) The game that mattered was 5-0. (Ok, 5-1, if you want.) When two teams play 6 periods of hockey and the cumulative score is 13-1 or 13-2, it says something about the relative quality of the two teams. Defensive play, team balance, heart and good goaltending are every bit as much a part of true hockey quality as slick offensive moves. And in light of all this, moans about the refs or rants that the team with 13 goals is a bunch of 4th liners just don't sound very convincing.

"Boring," like beauty, is in the beholder. I myself don't find good defensive play, dedicated cycling, sound positional goaltending and five goals boring. But then, that's just my opinion.

Thanks to all the teams for a hard fought tournament. Good night.

 

[BigE]

I have the game recorded on DVD so I have all the proof in the world how terrible officiating was. There were two key non-calls.

1. first period 13-40 into the period, Russia is on 5 on 4 PP. Zubov gets tripped by both goaltender a and defenceman right in fron of the referee, I mean 6 feet in front of his eyes! The video is so obvious, I can post it if I can find hosting! That is when the score was 0-0. Blatant non-call that would have given 5 on 3 penatly.

2. Three seconds to go in the first period, Russia is on PP for another minute and 40 seconds. In the Russian zone Boyd just wrestels down Emelin, absolutely blatant no call. Again I have this on video referee just observing it.

I won't even mention 4-5 other non calls against Canada and absolutely blind goal judge, anybody claiming he did not see it must be insane, that goal was clearly seen from his position. The whole game was a travesty, simply embarassing that IIHF fell that low.

3:15 into the first, the Russian slot, a Canadian player is taken out at the ankles at full speed by a deliberate Russian stick.

Don't forget about Downie being boarded, from behind in the second. Or the high stick that sent Russell to the bench in the 2nd.

It goes both ways man. It always has, and always will.

 

[Slay]

the canadians were by the rulebook supposed to get a penalty shot

Please show the rulebook where it says "knocked net" = "penalty shot". The puck wasn't going to cross the goal line and there were no "disallowed goal". Pushed net didn't had any significance. If the puck whould go into the net and crossed the line and the net would have been knocked then yes I would agree with you, otherwise no.

ahaha yeah he was real hurt...

Missing several monthes of hockey yes it is "real hurt".

of what Upshall started calling the "magic water"

The only word I remember from Upshall at that game F word at the penalty box.

then jumping on the ice the next shift, funny game he plays

Yes it is his game. When Murphy pushed him in boards head-first and at the next shift he jumped in the play... it is his "funny game".

 

[Den]

Canada played better than I thought. They really stepped up after the game with the US and deserved to win.
This said, I really think that we were watching two different games when I look at the post here. All this "by far", "dominated", and the belief that 5:0 is the real difference between the teams.... I mean, how much does it take to see that it would have been a 1 goal game either way without Pogge? For the domination theory bandwagonists, try to count how many times clearing the puck the hell away from the net was Canada's way to hang on there. The only thing we lost, IMO, was the crease pile ups. That counted...

 

[Metallian*]

IMHO it mattered big time. That goal would bring Russia into the game, on a scoresheet, emotionally and so on. Russia is known to play big in 3rd periods and we don't know what score would be at the end if that goal wouldn't be missed by a referee. As a matter of fact Russia outshot Canada even spending notably more time in the penalty box. Missed goal was one of the key moments of the game.

Agreed. The game would have been 2-1, there would have been less frustration and the 3rd PP goal might not have even existed, and it would have been an entirely different game.

As we all know, that 3rd goal was the daggar through the heart.

 

[Den]

Agreed. The game would have been 2-1, there would have been less frustration and the 3rd PP goal might not have even existed, and it would have been an entirely different game.

As we all know, that 3rd goal was the daggar through the heart.

I am not sure, guys. You got to score. Whith this ton of chances, you got to score.

 

[Metallian*]

Please show the rulebook where it says "knocked net" = "penalty shot".

the correct ruling is:

A minor penalty shall be imposed on any player (including the goalkeeper) who delays the game by deliberately displacing a goal post from its normal position. The Referee shall stop play immediately when the offending Team gains possession of the puck.

If the goal post is deliberately displaced by a goalkeeper or player during the course of a "breakaway", a penalty shot will be awarded to the non-offending Team, which shot shall be taken by the player last in possession of the puck.

(NOTE) A player with a "breakaway" is defined as a player in control of the puck with no opposition between him and the opposing goal and with a reasonable scoring opportunity.

In the event that a goal post is deliberately displaced by a defending player or goalkeeper, a minor penalty shall be assessed for delaying the game.

In the event that a goal post is deliberately displaced by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goal posts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been deliberately displaced by a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in the act of shooting) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

 

[Metallian*]

I am not sure, guys. You got to score. Whith this ton of chances, you got to score.

what does that have to do with anything?

 

[VladNYC*]

I think if you guys look to the first few pages everyone in this thread with a Kov or In or a Ski in their last name knew the out come of this game once we learned the nationality of the ref. Same thing happened in 2005 WHC in Austria. Russia beats Finland and then Finish ref hands the game to Canada and dispite all of that that was only a 4-3 loss. Where is the no tolerance policy the IIHF adhered to all tourney? Is that only adheared to against teams Canada is sure to beat (Norway)? This 5 - 0 loss is an embarrasment to Russian hockey. To not score 1 goal is disgraceful. Seems these new Russia players care more about playing rough then winning gold. Why the Russian head coach didn't take a time out to calm everyone down i don't know. Mikhalev just let these gusy run free. If you are already gonna play a rough game then atleast crash the net, let the opposing goalie fight for his win. I feel bad for the Russian goalie. This was totally not his fault. It's hard to win when your team isn't doing ****.

Great job by team canada for petitioning to replace the neutral swedish ref, was Irbe too busy to ref this? I hope in the olympics if it comes down to Russia and Canada for the gold again, which it will, we get an eastern block ref. I can take a loss, but this was complete ****. Hitting is great and all but since when does it make a good hockey game? The only Canadian that are happy with a 5 - 0 win over Russia are the ones that really don't know what a good hockey game is. I suggest watching the Summit Series and the Canada Cups.

I said it before and i'll say it again, **** NA refs. THe only thing they are good for is reffing the WWE like NA minor league where the guys are litterly bashing each other to get to the top.

I would like to congradulate the great BC fans, you made this tourney and you played a great part in this game for your team. Where are all you jerks who called the BC fans "tastless" now? I think you other canadians owe them an apology.

As a Russia fan all i can say is it's all Vodka till feb.

 

[Metallian*]

I feel bad for the Russian goalie. This was totally not his fault. It's hard to win when your team isn't doing ****.

It was his fault though. He blew the game in the first and just had a mental meltdown the remainder of the way. He did the same thing last year but at least last year they pulled him. This kid cracks under pressure.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

 

[Den]

I think if you guys look to the first few pages everyone in this thread with a Kov or In or a Ski in their last name knew the out come of this game once we learned the nationality of the ref. Same thing happened in 2005 WHC in Austria. Russia beats Finland and then Finish ref hands the game to Canada and dispite all of that that was only a 4-3 loss. Where is the no tolerance policy the IIHF adhered to all tourney? Is that only adheared to against teams Canada is sure to beat (Norway)? This 5 - 0 loss is an embarrasment to Russian hockey. To not score 1 goal is disgraceful. Seems these new Russia players care more about playing rough then winning gold. Why the Russian head coach didn't take a time out to calm everyone down i don't know. Mikhalev just let these gusy run free. If you are already gonna play a rough game then atleast crash the net, let the opposing goalie fight for his win. I feel bad for the Russian goalie. This was totally not his fault. It's hard to win when your team isn't doing ****.

Great job by team canada for petitioning to replace the neutral swedish ref, was Irbe too busy to ref this? I hope in the olympics if it comes down to Russia and Canada for the gold again, which it will, we get an eastern block ref. I can take a loss, but this was complete ****. Hitting is great and all but since when does it make a good hockey game? The only Canadian that are happy with a 5 - 0 win over Russia are the ones that really don't know what a good hockey game is. I suggest watching the Summit Series and the Canada Cups.

I said it before and i'll say it again, **** NA refs. THe only thing they are good for is reffing the WWE like NA minor league where the guys are litterly bashing each other to get to the top.

I would like to congradulate the great BC fans, you made this tourney and you played a great part in this game for your team. Where are all you jerks who called the BC fans "tastless" now? I think you other canadians owe them an apology.

As a Russia fan all i can say is it's all Vodka till feb.

Vlad, I think you are giving it up to the ref too much. He was more or less OK. Nevermind the score! It was an equal game which didn't go our way, so it will next time! I hope this "nepruha" will end in Feb. Follow the ECC before in the meantime! I was roaming the Russian boards, surprisingly it seems to be more popular than the WJC. Hell, Omsk is cheering for Dynamo on the Hawks website!!

 

[Rover*]

Hitting is great and all but since when does it make a good hockey game? The only Canadian that are happy with a 5 - 0 win over Russia are the ones that really don't know what a good hockey game is. I suggest watching the Summit Series and the Canada Cups.

Someone sounds a tad bit bitter and is not used to seeing his russians being hit.

 

[VladNYC*]

It was his fault though. He blew the game in the first and just had a mental meltdown the remainder of the way. He did the same thing last year but at least last year they pulled him. This kid cracks under pressure.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

2-0 does not make a game. It was up to his forwards and defensemen to bail him out. I agree, he isn't spectacular. But before this game he was leading in all stats and what's the difference? His team actually could finish the other games.

 

[Anksun]

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USA team was the team receiving perhaps the less support from the canadian crowd all tournament long. From the usa-canada game and on, Jack Johnson was booh every single time he touch the puck in this tournament. Yet you are claiming that having a usa ref was a deciding factor of the canada's team win???

Right now in international play, Usa is somewhat consider what Finland is to Sweden and i doubt Finland fans would be very very happy about having a Sweden ref in a Finland-Russia game...

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On a side note, i'm happy about this win. 2nd in a row and with the youngest team (of the teams that matter) of the tournament. Half those guys could return next year, should be nice.

edit: Congrats to Russia for the tournament. They had a good team, loosing only 1 game all tournament long. When 2 undefeated teams play the final, there's going to have 1 disapointed side no matter what. They had an impressive semi-final, too bad they couldnt come close to this level of play in the finals.

Next year, maybe.

 

[VladNYC*]

Someone sounds a tad bit bitter and is not used to seeing his russians being hit.

Hitting is fine, i am tlakign abotu consistancy. I saw rough play on both sides that should have been called from the begining. Why switch the calling of the game from the begining. If this game was 5 - 0 the other way with a Kazak ref and all those same hits happened on both sides you guys would burn the Russian consulate.

 

[bottleCAPS]

2-0 does not make a game. It was up to his forwards and defensemen to bail him out. I agree, he isn't spectacular. But before this game he was leading in all stats and what's the difference? His team actually could finish the other games.

Vlad is right, you can't put Khudobin on the hook for this.. most of the goals happened due to a defensive breakdown or odd man rush. Defensively the russians weren't there and they paid dearly for it.

 

[Metallian*]

2-0 does not make a game. It was up to his forwards and defensemen to bail him out. I agree, he isn't spectacular. But before this game he was leading in all stats and what's the difference? His team actually could finish the other games.

2 goals on 8 shots

he was shakey. the russian offence was firing on all pistons in the 1st, all they needed was for him to bail our their rushing D and he couldnt. look how emotional the guy got later on, he cracked under the pressure, theres no denying it.

 

[VladNYC*]

2 goals on 8 shots

he was shakey. the russian offence was firing on all pistons in the 1st, all they needed was for him to bail our their rushing D and he couldnt. look how emotional the guy got later on, he cracked under the pressure, theres no denying it.

I agree he messed up on those. That was the FIRST period. 2 goals don't make a game in the first. The rest of the team should have stepped it up. I doubt even Khabibulin could have won that game for Russia.

 

[Den]

2 goals on 8 shots

he was shakey. the russian offence was firing on all pistons in the 1st, all they needed was for him to bail our their rushing D and he couldnt. look how emotional the guy got later on, he cracked under the pressure, theres no denying it.

I mean, he could have saved the first two, but please he was left alone on the first one with Malkin just cruising nearby, almost same stuff on the second.

 

[Metallian*]

I agree he messed up on those. That was the FIRST period. 2 goals don't make a game in the first. The rest of the team should have stepped it up. I doubt even Khabibulin could have won that game for Russia.

both him and the d were horrible for periods 2 and 3, but if i had to pick one to blame it would be him

both were bad though

 

[VladNYC*]

Follow the ECC before in the meantime! I was roaming the Russian boards, surprisingly it seems to be more popular than the WJC. Hell, Omsk is cheering for Dynamo on the Hawks website!!

I mean the ECC is good and it's funny to see Omsk cheer for Dynamo but really untill there are some NHL teams playing in the club tourneys this is really not that much interesting to me.

 

[Canuck21t]

typical RUS - CAN Skill against hitting

But when Ovechkin hits, it's AMAZING!

 

[Canuck21t]

is it true that the canadians had petition to get a USA ref instead of a swedish one?

It's possible. I remember 3 years ago at the World Championship's CAN-SWE final, Sweden protested the nomination of an American ref and insisted on someone else. Man that was funny because Canada won anyway and every Swedish fans in the IIHF board were complaining about the officiating and said that they should have gone with the American ref. Just to show you that people are never happy.

 

[Canuck21t]

Way too much clutching and grabbing by the Canadians (though it was seen on both sides).

It was seen on both side but only highlight the Canadians eh? Is your name McGuirov?

 

[Canuck21t]

School what? How to be a fourth liner in the AHL?

How to work hard until the end.