Fight4yourRight
“Chuck’s my guy”
- Dec 18, 2017
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Honestly it’s worth remembering…
Cutter is a f***.
Cutter is a f***.
a pettersson level talent is acceptable. 25 year old elite centers dont just grow on trees haha. he likely has ~8 more years of elite production numbers I think that's acceptable.Every time we talk about what an alternate package could have looked like, you kind of have to say what you think that package could have been. There is such a small list of assets around the league that would have even been suitable for discussion, and an even smaller list that would have been available in such a trade if we’re targeting players <22 y/o. This was always going to be a 1-for-1 type of deal.
Who else would have made sense in such a swap? Who would people have wanted to target instead of Drysdale? There’s probably only like 5-10 names that could have made sense in the first place. Probably fewer.
The only other type package I can think of would have been if we wanted to use Gauthier + other assets to acquire a legit established star like Pettersson who might be available, but I don’t think that would have been a popular idea around here either since we’re probably talking about Gauthier + 1st + another roster player if we’re being realistic.
Cutter has no reason to be a f*** if the Flyers weren't entitled, manipulative, narcissistic f***s themselves. The Flyers are the problem.Honestly it’s worth remembering…
Cutter is a f***.
Now, let's be fair. They can all be the problem here.Cutter has no reason to be a f*** if the Flyers weren't entitled, manipulative, narcissistic f***s themselves. The Flyers are the problem.
You're not a problem if you quit your job because of the endless bullshit you have dealt with from management are you? Of course not, that's your right. Hell, it should even be encouraged.Now, let's be fair. They can all be the problem here.
Am I wrong in seeing it as a positive that much of Drysdale's development occurred outside of this organization?Exactly. Plus the extra years of team control and most importantly for me, the extra years of development. For the purposes of trade valuation, I don’t care if he was rushed. That’s not my problem until the trade is completed. Everything Drysdale did post-draft pushed his value down, not up.
Why are we assuming the #1 prospect in hockey, according to some, with 2.5 years of control had a limited market?
He hardly played in Anaheim. 123 games over parts of four seasons.Am I wrong in seeing it as a positive that much of Drysdale's development occurred outside of this organization?
Thanks, Curu. My question stands.He hardly played in Anaheim. 123 games over parts of four seasons.
Am I wrong in seeing it as a positive that much of Drysdale's development occurred outside of this organization?
Hartnell mentioned that his agent gave a list of teams he would accept to the flyers, otherwise he would walk.The most ridiculous narrative is that the Flyers needed to rush rush rush into trading a player they took 5th overall 1.5 years ago, whose value is in no imminent danger of dropping. The team has bruises from violently patting itself on the back about keeping things hush-hush and getting this done quickly post-WJC because they would have taken a bath on Gauthier otherwise. Marvel at the return! And a lot of fans bought into that. To me, it sounds like what people affecting the role of businessmen say because they think it sounds intelligent. Please run this logic by Daryl Morey.
Every team already knew Gauthier wasn't signing. The information becoming public changes nothing because ~20 teams were already bidding against each other. Gauthier was never staying 4 years; 2 years made him disgruntled. The Flyers always had the leverage. I don't think it should've been stretched into next year, but you will never convince me his value wouldn't have been the same at the draft this summer. And maybe it wouldn't have changed much because they wanted a certain position of a certain age of a certain draft pedigree at a certain time (now) to help with PR. But I simply don't accept the logic that Drysdale + 2nd was the absolute peak value offer, and Gauthier's value would have started depreciating on January 9th.
Hartnell mentioned that his agent gave a list of teams he would accept to the flyers, otherwise he would walk.
My ... question ... STANDS!!I'd say so, Bern. He was rushed into the NHL at age 18 (by Bob Murray, so we know his evaluation of Drysdale was always too rosy). And the only coach he has ever played for is Dallas Eakins, one of the worst structural guys in the league, on some dumpster fire Ducks teams. I do actually somewhat trust Tortorella and Shaw to develop him better than that.
Glass half-full, Drysdale clearly has ability -- although it sounds like his draft year offensive profile isn't totally incongruous with his NHL one -- and it's a fine gamble to believe his developmental track can be righted. (Again, I want to acknowledge Super Advisor, Bob Murray, was responsible for what happened on the Ducks.) But the Flyers didn't just pay for a half-full glass. They paid for it filled to the brim, along with buying the glass and the coaster and the stool they're sitting on.
An update on scheduling with the hope that surgery won't be needed (the latter per E. Friedman):
Perhaps this is a dosage of good news, at least for the current plight.
An irritating memory is after Tim Kerr slapped the stupid off the Penguins through six games in 1989 (a record for points in a series that still holds) and then got whacked by Jim Johnson that resulted in a broken hand. Kerr was rendered useless in the Conference Championship against Montreal that season but whenever Kerr conducted an interview following the Penguins' series, he had his hand hidden so not to show the degree of the injury.Damn. Wish his career was in jeopardy so this thread could go on forever.
Loved BTK! What a releaseAn irritating memory is after Tim Kerr slapped the stupid off the Penguins through six games in 1989 (a record for points in a series that still holds) and then got whacked by Jim Johnson that resulted in a broken hand. Kerr was rendered useless in the Conference Championship against Montreal that season but whenever Kerr conducted an interview following the Penguins' series, he had his hand hidden so not to show the degree of the injury.
Perhaps this is a dosage of good news, at least for the current plight.
Let’s hope! Need Briere to look bad.I tore my in rotator cuff in November and didn't need a sling or surgery. I missed 2 months of my hockey season and rehabbed for 6 weeks. That was a first time injury. Drysdale's case is one that includes surgical repair and re-injury, so there is significant baseline instability in the joint and risk of connective tissue (re)injury is relatively high in a contact sport. Just because he's not in a sling doesn't mean he has no connective tissue damage. Sommermann has no clluee
It isn't out of the question that he is shut down for the rest of the year. In fact that is what I'd expect given his age and injury history.
Perhaps this is a dosage of good news, at least for the current plight.
Are you a bender?I missed 2 months of my hockey season and rehabbed for 6 weeks.