Confirmed with Link: James Wisniewski and a 3rd to Anaheim for William Karlsson, Rene Bourque, and a 2nd

[CBJWerenski8]

Mark Letestu says hey. Finishes the season somewhere between 16-20th on the team in hits every year with the CBJ. Surprisingly enough, he's also not offensive enough for a top 6 role. I know Letestu had a bit of a down year, but Karlsson was also a rookie who barely scraped 20 games. They still scored at a very similar rate (0.255 PPG for Letestu, 0.238 PPG for Karlsson).

If the kid is anywhere near Letestu in terms of the way he thinks the game then we've got a winner. It's been proven by Letestu you don't need to be overly physical on a 4th line. You can be just fine if you think the game well and skate and aren't severely undersized.

I wanted to look at their respective Hero charts out of curiosity but Karlsson hasn't been in the NHL long enough to warrant one, I guess. In case you were curious about Letestu it basically breaks down like this: He's an average 4th liner when it comes to getting ice time and his line generating offense. He's a 3rd liner when it comes to individual scoring per 60 minutes though, which indicates to me that he's definitely been the best player on his line over the past few seasons (duh). He's pretty great defensively of course, with 2nd liner numbers for suppressing shots against.

I'm real happy if he can be something close to that even if others would call him a disappointment

Mark Letestu isn't a 4th liner, he just played on our 4th line. Kinda like Comeau last year.

Karlsson could play the Letestu role I guess, but he'd probably produce around the same as Chaput did.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Possible for sure. I just feel like waiting until the off-season, or waiting until the next TDL would have been more beneficial. I still don't get the rush to make a move, or at least the move they did.

tin foil hat time

the FO knew about Wiz's fancy stats and knew how good they are.. so they said **** it, we'll trade him and get a better pick, yet by only trading 1 player it's not obvious but then the CBJ were like "Jarmo you're so silly we're gonna go 15-3-1 despite losing, on paper, our best defenseman!"

and here we are now

end tin foil hat time

 

[SavesEmNot]

tin foil hat time

the FO knew about Wiz's fancy stats and knew how good they are.. so they said **** it, we'll trade him and get a better pick, yet by only trading 1 player it's not obvious but then the CBJ were like "Jarmo you're so silly we're gonna go 15-3-1 despite losing, on paper, our best defenseman!"

and here we are now

end tin foil hat time

So in terms of conspiracy theories, we've had truthers and birthers; now there are... traders (and draft lotteryers)?

 

[KJ Dangler]

Why is the trade hard to understand ? We got something in Borque , that the team didnt have, and it showed up right away. A guy that will stand in front of the net and battle. He has good size. On top of that, we get Karlsson who according to a tsn writer on twitter, Ill dig up his name, Karlsson is our 4th best prospect in the minors. I believe he was 3rd in Anehiem's system. And we got an additional second round pick, in an extremly deep draft. We shedded Wiz, salary. Savard, and Cody Flourished with the additonal playing time, and out team went what 15-3 since the trade ? So going into the draft, we now have the 8th, 34th, 38th, Ducks 2nd, 68, and 69. Thats 6 picks in the top 70. Anyone think we have the pieces to upgrade our D ? Whether its moving up to get Hanifin, Proporov, or an established young defenseman.

 

[Xoggz22]

Why is the trade hard to understand ? We got something in Borque , that the team didnt have, and it showed up right away. A guy that will stand in front of the net and battle. He has good size. On top of that, we get Karlsson who according to a tsn writer on twitter, Ill dig up his name, Karlsson is our 4th best prospect in the minors. I believe he was 3rd in Anehiem's system. And we got an additional second round pick, in an extremly deep draft. We shedded Wiz, salary. Savard, and Cody Flourished with the additonal playing time, and out team went what 15-3 since the trade ? So going into the draft, we now have the 8th, 34th, 38th, Ducks first, 68, and 69. Thats 6 picks in the top 70. Anyone think we have the pieces to upgrade our D ? Whether its moving up to get Hanifin, Proporov, or an established young defenseman.

I know you meant "Ducks second" but you should edit this quickly before the vipers strike!

Ducks second is 58th if my math is correct... Still have 6 picks in the top 70 which are some nice bullets to make some improvements to this team. That's for the draft thread though...

 

[KJ Dangler]

I know you meant "Ducks second" but you should edit this quickly before the vipers strike!

Ducks second is 58th if my math is correct... Still have 6 picks in the top 70 which are some nice bullets to make some improvements to this team. That's for the draft thread though...

Thanks, edited

 

[JacketsDavid]

Why is the trade hard to understand ? We got something in Borque , that the team didnt have, and it showed up right away. A guy that will stand in front of the net and battle. He has good size. On top of that, we get Karlsson who according to a tsn writer on twitter, Ill dig up his name, Karlsson is our 4th best prospect in the minors. I believe he was 3rd in Anehiem's system. And we got an additional second round pick, in an extremly deep draft. We shedded Wiz, salary. Savard, and Cody Flourished with the additonal playing time, and out team went what 15-3 since the trade ? So going into the draft, we now have the 8th, 34th, 38th, Ducks first, 68, and 69. Thats 6 picks in the top 70. Anyone think we have the pieces to upgrade our D ? Whether its moving up to get Hanifin, Proporov, or an established young defenseman.

In time I'm willing to bet Borque was included in trade to make salaries work for the deal.
Yes he played well in his eight or so games. Would be nice to see him do that over a full season, and he could since he's in his contract year. But I wouldn't think the Jackets targeted him, he was likely included to make the deal work on both sides.

 

[major major]

Including Bourque was the equivalent of retaining salary on Wiz. Now we at least have a chance of getting a productive player out of it.

 

[DarkandStormy]

I know you meant "Ducks second" but you should edit this quickly before the vipers strike!

Ducks second is 58th if my math is correct... Still have 6 picks in the top 70 which are some nice bullets to make some improvements to this team. That's for the draft thread though...

Isn't that determined by playoff finish?

 

[EspenK]

Isn't that determined by playoff finish?

 

[stevo61]

Not to derail the thread but Letestu with MacKenzie and Comeau or Calvert and Morin is not the same as Letestu with Boll and Tropp. Letestu has the ability to play with better players and put up decent numbers. I think Chaput being put in that situation left a sour taste in some peoples mouths but sheesh, imagine being on a line with Tropp and Boll and be expected to bring offense

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Mark Letestu isn't a 4th liner, he just played on our 4th line. Kinda like Comeau last year.

Karlsson could play the Letestu role I guess, but he'd probably produce around the same as Chaput did.

I guess the question is does the FO think Karlsson (or Chaput) can handle Letestu's role, with whatever linemates. I hope not - I don't trust either of them. Not yet. Not next season.

 

[CBJx614]

Not to derail the thread but Letestu with MacKenzie and Comeau or Calvert and Morin is not the same as Letestu with Boll and Tropp. Letestu has the ability to play with better players and put up decent numbers. I think Chaput being put in that situation left a sour taste in some peoples mouths but sheesh, imagine being on a line with Tropp and Boll and be expected to bring offense

Thats a pretty good point. And while Karlsson was here he was playing on a red hot line with Dano and Hartnell.

 

[Xoggz22]

Isn't that determined by playoff finish?

Only the first round is impacted by the playoffs.

 

[EspenK]

Only the first round is impacted by the playoffs.

Not to be a viper but unless that was changed in 2015 I don't think that is correct. SC winner gets 30th all the way through. I'm not sure about the rest but I thought the SC runner-up picked 29th. And the two teams that lost to the finalists went 27th & 28th.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Doesnt matter we have 6 picks in the first 70 regardless. #8, 34,38 Aneheim,68, 69. Im not sure where we stand with numbers of contracts we can fit under the 50, but we had a lot of picks last year as well. That is why I feel that its remotely slim, we stay put at 8. If we have to over pay a bit to get a true number 1 D, we have the assets , and thats not even looking at some of the forwards we may need to move. We are sitting in really good shape as an organization.

 

[Viqsi]

Not to be a viper but unless that was changed in 2015 I don't think that is correct. SC winner gets 30th all the way through. I'm not sure about the rest but I thought the SC runner-up picked 29th. And the two teams that lost to the finalists went 27th & 28th.

I'm reasonably certain that's still the case.

 

[NotWendell]

So in terms of conspiracy theories, we've had truthers and birthers; now there are... traders (and draft lotteryers)?

Wizzers!

 

[Jackets16]

Doesnt matter we have 6 picks in the first 70 regardless. #8, 34,38 Aneheim,68, 69. Im not sure where we stand with numbers of contracts we can fit under the 50, but we had a lot of picks last year as well. That is why I feel that its remotely slim, we stay put at 8. If we have to over pay a bit to get a true number 1 D, we have the assets , and thats not even looking at some of the forwards we may need to move. We are sitting in really good shape as an organization.

We can always trade some late round picks for future picks. That usually gives you more (or better) picks in the future and would allow us to not have as many new guys next year (or whenever we have to sign them).

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Not to be a viper but unless that was changed in 2015 I don't think that is correct. SC winner gets 30th all the way through. I'm not sure about the rest but I thought the SC runner-up picked 29th. And the two teams that lost to the finalists went 27th & 28th.

As i recall, first round is determined by playoff finish. 2nd round on goes back to finish in the standings during the season. I may be wrong but I'm under the impression this is how it works.

 

[EspenK]

As i recall, first round is determined by playoff finish. 2nd round on goes back to finish in the standings during the season. I may be wrong but I'm under the impression this is how it works.

Kings picked 30th last year, Rangers 29th, then the Hawks and Habs. Playoffs affect the draft position of at least the final 4. I think 2nd round losers may be in their order from regular season. Nothing is simple in NHL rules and regs.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Okay, here's the explanation.

#1 - Lottery winner (most years)/inept group of clowns (this year)
#2-14 - Non-playoff teams in reverse order by standings
#15-26 - Playoff teams that do not qualify for conference finals*****
#27 - Conference finalist with less points
#28 - Conference finalist with more points
#29 - Stanley Cup finalist
#30 - Stanley Cup winner


*****Playoff teams are grouped like so:
- The first group is for teams that did not win their division, in reverse order
- The second group are division winners that did not make the conference finals, in reverse order

This applies for ALL rounds, with the exception being that the non-playoff teams revert back to the regular order for everything outside the first round.

CURRENT 2015 DRAFT ORDER
#1 - they who shall not be named (in 2nd-7th round, Buffalo)
#2 - Buffalo (in 2nd-7th rounds, Arizona)
#3 - Arizona (in 2nd-7th rounds, they who shall not be named)
#4 - Toronto
#5 - Carolina
#6 - New Jersey
#7 - Philadelphia
#8 - Columbus
#9 - San Jose
#10 - Colorado
#11 - Florida
#12 - Dallas
#13 - Los Angeles
#14 - Boston
#15 - Calgary (97 points, did not win division)
#16 - Pittsburgh (98 points, did not win division)
#17 - Winnipeg (99 points, did not win division)
#18 - Ottawa (99 points, did not win division)
#19 - Detroit (100 points, did not win division)
#20 - Minnesota (100 points, did not win division)
#21 - NY Islanders (101 points, did not win division)
#22 - Washington (101 points, did not win division)
#23 - Vancouver (101 points, did not win division)
#24 - Chicago (102 points, did not win division)
#25 - Nashville (104 points, did not win division)
#26 - Tampa Bay (108 points, did not win division)
#27 - St. Louis (#2 in West, less points, 109 points, division winner)
#28 - Montreal (#2 in East, more points, 110 points, division winner)
#29 - Anaheim (#1 in West, 109 points, division winner)
#30 - NY Rangers (#1 in East, top overall, 113 points, division winner)

Any playoff team can end up picking in the 27-30 spot. No one can rise more than four spots in the draft order (as only four teams below in the standings could move higher by making the final four), and no one can pick higher than 15th.

 

[Johnny Jacket]

So are the Ducks not playing "The Wiz" so they have a better chance at moving up in the draft?

 

[salsa man]

So are the Ducks not playing "The Wiz" so they have a better chance at moving up in the draft?

They're 6-0 in the playoffs without him so far, so no. Despres has played surprisingly well, and Stoner plays a unique role that no other defenseman on the team can really fill, so they're both getting playing time ahead of Wiz. Honestly, if the Ducks knew Despres would play this well, they probably wouldn't have traded for Wisniewski. Wiz could still see playing time in the playoffs if Despres or Stoner's play falters significant.

In the offseason, they'll probably re-sign Beauchemin and trade one of Stoner/Wisniewski, but if that doesn't happen Wiz will take Beauchemin's spot in the lineup.

 

[Light the Lamp]

The biggest benefit to the CBJ is not having Wiz's salary. Now the CBJ can go out and get someone who plays at a $5M level. Wild Bill, Bourque, and the 2nd round pick is the gravy.