If Wiz cant stick on the roster (which i dont think will happen. He'll make it eventually) and one of Karlsson, Borque can stick on the roster i think its a win. I think that 2nd is gonna get packaged to move back up into the 1st. If thats the case then i think its worth it.
Confirmed with Link: James Wisniewski and a 3rd to Anaheim for William Karlsson, Rene Bourque, and a 2nd
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Trade looks better now than it did when it happened. I do admit that. However, both teams probably don't exactly love the return. The most valuable asset right now that was traded was Anaheim's 2nd it seems. It probably won't stay that way, but thats what it looks like right now. Hopefully we can use that pick for something good.
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I'd hardly be waving the flag of victory on this trade because of a scratch.
Karlsson had zero points in 13 games at Springfield. No way to put lipstick on that pig.
Bourque is simply awful most of the time. I'll take his last 4 years over 8 games as the proper measuring stick. His 4 goals in 8 games is nothing more than a dead cat bounce. He'll return to his ghastly, lazy form next season. This leopard aint gonna change his spots. If he's playing higher than the 4th line most of the time, then the CBJ won't be having a good season.
Ask any other fan base what they think about acquiring Bourque and Clarkson. In the same year. Hope you like getting laughed at
Karlsson had zero points in 13 games at Springfield. No way to put lipstick on that pig.
Bourque is simply awful most of the time. I'll take his last 4 years over 8 games as the proper measuring stick. His 4 goals in 8 games is nothing more than a dead cat bounce. He'll return to his ghastly, lazy form next season. This leopard aint gonna change his spots. If he's playing higher than the 4th line most of the time, then the CBJ won't be having a good season.
Ask any other fan base what they think about acquiring Bourque and Clarkson. In the same year. Hope you like getting laughed at
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Karlsson played well here in a limited stretch...while I won't say "WE WON!!!!!" I do think when all is said and done, we will enjoy the fruits of this trade
I'd hardly be waving the flag of victory on this trade because of a scratch.
Karlsson had zero points in 13 games at Springfield. No way to put lipstick on that pig.
Bourque is simply awful most of the time. I'll take his last 4 years over 8 games as the proper measuring stick. His 4 goals in 8 games is nothing more than a dead cat bounce. He'll return to his ghastly, lazy form next season. This leopard aint gonna change his spots. If he's playing higher than the 4th line most of the time, then the CBJ won't be having a good season.
Ask any other fan base what they think about acquiring Bourque and Clarkson. In the same year. Hope you like getting laughed at
Your argument fails to mention the positives of the trade. Although the situation the CBJ found themselves in re: Horton's predicament was embarrassing it was reality! We had a 5.5 mil salary that wasn't going to play a MINUTE for the CBJ. Jarmo found someone that offered us relief. At least Clarkson can participate on the ice and does have a history of putting the puck in the net. Give it a chance.
In Wisniewski we had a scorer with a large salary and a poor reputation as a solid dman. Once again by trading him we got immediate salary relief (I understand we took on Bourque, but at a lesser salary and lesser term) moved into the second round with a pick and got Karlsson to boot. Inspite of your distaste for Bourque, I thought he played a rugged game forechecking and playing in the dirty areas in front of the net. He also scored. I would love to see him pull a Mike Ribiero. Maybe he needed new scenery, different responsibility or just an understanding that this may be his last opportunity.
There is nothing wrong with having too much talent. 500 man games lost ought to speak to that. The front office will determine how to move forward. I am just happy we finally have some good options!
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Stellar brainstorm - league TOP 20 D ( season 2013-14) scratched for first playoff game to sit in Boudreau doghouse? I am not ready discuss " fruits" of this trade again, but if guy wanted to be Jacket and you trade him how it correlates with "ASG and direction of this team should help sell players coming here"?
I am not ready discuss " fruits" of this trade again, but if guy wanted to be Jacket and you trade him how it correlates with "ASG and direction of this team should help sell players coming here"? 
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This post is HF in a nutshell. You complain about a guy who didn't produce and then dismiss the production of another guy.
Let this be a lesson to any new posters: nothing should ever get in the way of your opinion of a player - if you are committed to being miserable and negative, you'll find a way!
Scratching my head over this. Pun intended. If Anaheim doesn't feel his skill set fits their post season needs, then they really botched things up by moving a prospect and a pick upgrade to get him.
Wiz is Wiz. He's not terrible, and he's not a Norris contender, but he's good enough to dress in the playoffs and would bring a lot of offensive punch to a lot of post season rosters. I will always view his stint here as productive, and I fear its going to be a long time before we see a dman with the offensive impact he brought to the team.
Wiz is Wiz. He's not terrible, and he's not a Norris contender, but he's good enough to dress in the playoffs and would bring a lot of offensive punch to a lot of post season rosters. I will always view his stint here as productive, and I fear its going to be a long time before we see a dman with the offensive impact he brought to the team.
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Jack Johnson and David Savard really weren't that far behind him in terms of numbers (both actually ahead this year). Wiz's greatest asset is that shot and his ability to use it on the PP. JJ doesn't have that kind of shot and Savard doesn't quite have the experience yet as he is several years younger than Wiz. Savard's 36 points this year were primarily at Even Strength (26 pts - 72.2%). Of Wiz's 34 pts only 19 were are Even Strength. Whereas JJ had most of his contributions on the PP (only 18 ES pts, 45%).
Wiz's 51 pts were awesome and I'm glad he was a Blue JAcket. I'm still OK with this move and think his production will be replaced and the pace on the backend will improve with his departure.
I'm still not sure how this deal shakes out for us, but it's bad for Anaheim. I don't know why they thought they needed Wiz when they already had Vatanen, Fowler, et. co. Of course he has a great shot, but that's only part of his value. For the Jackets what Wiz added was passing. Savard, JJ, and Conn can all score goals but I don't think any of them can pass like Wiz. But on Anaheim it's easy to see Wiz getting lost. He's just a slower version of Vatanen.
Murray coming back helped us not to miss Wiz in that regard. Still, our transition game needs improvement.
He had 2-4-6 his last 28 games and was healthy scratched a few times.
6 points over 28 games equates to 17 over 82 games. Basically, once his "honeymoon" phase was over he wasn't anything special. Even saw time on the top PP unit for awhile and had 0-3-3 PP points.
He essentially had a month and a half boost in points, and then went back to not contributing a whole lot of points. I don't see how he's supposed to help replace the production of Wiz.
Murray is the wild card, he could be the man at both ends that Wiz was in the o-zone.
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Excuse me, Mr. Positive Energy Everything is All Wonderful
The two teams that I watch are the CBJ and the MTL Canadiens. I've watched Bourque for years. He usually stunk with with the rare exception of the playoffs last season. Players often show signs of life right after a trade. I'll take my 3+ years of viewing him over an 8 game stretch. Google "Rene bourqe effort". I am hardly alone.
If no points in 13 games in the AHL for an alleged top prospect is something that you'd like to whitewash, then you are free to do so. I won't.
So, new HF posters, if you want to get with the "Super Genius" program, pay attention to very small sample sizes and ignore a player's more substantial body of work.
Hey "Genius", find me all the negatives I've written about Johansen, Foligno, Hartnell, Dubinski, JJ, Tyutin, Savard, Prout, Letestu, Dano, Bob and Connaughton.
Super lame post. Noman Vincent Pealesque rubbish.
Viqsi
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If you prefer, we could talk about Steve "He's Not Good Enough To Be In The ECHL, Let Alone The NHL, Will Never Do Any Better, And Anyone Who Says Otherwise Is Hopelessly Naive" Mason. Or R.J. "I Guarantee We'll Buy Him Out, Because Nobody Will Ever Want To Trade For Him" Umberger. Or, alternatively, we could just cut to the chase and point out how you're going with small recent sample size for Karlsson while ignoring prior data, and insisting on prior data for Bourque while ignoring small recent sample size.Excuse me, Mr. Positive Energy Everything is All Wonderful
The two teams that I watch are the CBJ and the MTL Canadiens. I've watched Bourque for years. He usually stunk with with the rare exception of the playoffs last season. Players often show signs of life right after a trade. I'll take my 3+ years of viewing him over an 8 game stretch. Google "Rene bourqe effort". I am hardly alone.
If no points in 13 games in the AHL for an alleged top prospect is something that you'd like to whitewash, then you are free to do so. I won't.
So, new HF posters, if you want to get with the "Super Genius" program, pay attention to very small sample sizes and ignore a player's more substantial body of work.
Hey "Genius", find me all the negatives I've written about Johansen, Foligno, Hartnell, Dubinski, JJ, Tyutin, Savard, Prout, Letestu, Dano, Bob and Connaughton.
Super lame post. Noman Vincent Pealesque rubbish.
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I was disappointed at first but I am honestly not sure that I miss Wiz on our blueline at this point.
I don't think I would. I would like to add that I liked Cheese Wiz when he was here and I hope he succeeds in Anaheim, but I am not sure the team is worse without him.
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I would wait until the draft to see what we do with the 2nd. If we take a kid, then yeah I'd probably rather have Wiz, but if we move the pick to move up/another player then it would depend on that player.
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I don't miss Wiz nearly as much as I thought I would've. I think we'll be fine going forward and it's nice not having his cap hit anymore. Yeah, we have Bourque's now, but his contract expires after next season I think?
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