Traded Jakob Chychrun (D)

[jbeck5]

IMO we will improve three ways, hopefully anyway.

1. Internal growth. Greig, Pinto and Sanderson at the minimum will be improved players. To me Pinto and Greig will be solid second line players. Sanderson will improve and could even make the step to be one of the league's better #1 D. I think Stützle bounces back as well.

2. We become a more balanced team. Chychrun is gone. Hopefully we can replace him with a RD who gets the puck back from the other team quickly. Chychrun is a good player but he wasn't the right guy for this team.

3. We get solid coaching right out of the gate. Obviously depends on who we hire but this should be improved over years past.

Then there are things we can't control but could lead to improvement, like being extra healthy (eg. Norris and Chabot actually avoid injury) and, this is the big one, having our goalies make a f***ing save or two.

We will be better than we were last year, IMO.

There might be areas we are worse in though.

Like we could be more balanced, but less skilled...and then maybe all of a sudden we're defending well, but can't seem to hit the back of the net.

No one knows.

But the idea of replacing skilled players with grit, definitely does balance this team more...so it COULD benefit the team, but it could also mean with less skill, we have less puck possession and maybe struggle to make break out passes or to get the puck out of our net.

We can't just assume that every trade of roster or turnover of players will be a beneficial one. It could get worse.


Replacing chychrun and brannstrom with 2 big shut down D definitely makes us harder to play against. But does it mean a lot of plays are off the glass and out and back on the other teams stick?


Everyone is assuming that moves we make will improve us...but is anyone considering that moves we make can also make us worse?


Everyone is getting too positive around here where they're automatically assuming improvements...that's not how it works. Improvements aren't automatic.

 

[aragorn]

There might be areas we are worse in though.

Like we could be more balanced, but less skilled...and then maybe all of a sudden we're defending well, but can't seem to hit the back of the net.

No one knows.

But the idea of replacing skilled players with grit, definitely does balance this team more...so it COULD benefit the team, but it could also mean with less skill, we have less puck possession and maybe struggle to make break out passes or to get the puck out of our net.

We can't just assume that every trade of roster or turnover of players will be a beneficial one. It could get worse.


Replacing chychrun and brannstrom with 2 big shut down D definitely makes us harder to play against. But does it mean a lot of plays are off the glass and out and back on the other teams stick?


Everyone is assuming that moves we make will improve us...but is anyone considering that moves we make can also make us worse?


Everyone is getting too positive around here where they're automatically assuming improvements...that's not how it works. Improvements aren't automatic.

Ottawa has plenty of skill in Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Giroux, Pinto, Greig, Sanderson & Chabot. They need bottom six guys who can add more production while at the same time be a pain in the ass to play against & reduce goals against. They will probably add another impact skilled player at this yr's draft. If this team can't do well without Brannstrom they have bigger problems & while Chychrun had a good offensive season Chabot did not & needs to bounce back. Plus hopefully they get a top 4 RD who should also add some pts. If they were to add Shattenkirk RD & JVR LW for example two cheap vets to this lineup who had 62 pts between them last yr & is helping Boston in the playoffs right now that would be an improvement in Ott IMO.

 

[bicboi64]

The new Hronek deal (8 years $7.2 million aav) sets a ceiling for Chychrun's new contract whenever he gets there.

Hronek might have sucked in the playoffs, but he was able to hold it steady as Hughes partner and play as a solid top pairing guy. Chychrun hasn't shown he can do that on a winning squad. No way Chychrun gets $7 million aav on a long term deal, he doesn't outscore his softness and doesn't anchor a top pairing either.

 

[aragorn]

Here is an article on potential trade destinations for Chychrun, somehow they forgot about Calgary & Philly which might make it ten potential teams. In other words, they don't know either.

MSN

 

[lancepitlick]

If I were a GM I'd be hard pressed to offer him anything better than 6x6. Or trade for him on the cheap and make him prove his value in the last year of his deal (or ship him out at the deadline if he doesn't).

Deaperate teams will always throw boatloads of cash at inconsistent UFAs though, hoping they produce at the higher end of their capabilities, which rarely happens.

I think he is what he is. A guy with low IQ, decent mobility, a cannon of a shot, and low physicality despite being kind of big. And who rarely get close to playing 82 games, except one season where he had the physicality of Sylvain Turgeon.

When I type that out it reads like he's a bigger/better Joe Corvo.

Which is about a #3/4 D-man. I'm not rolling out $7.5 M for that.

 

[CallSaul]

The new Hronek deal (8 years $7.2 million aav) sets a ceiling for Chychrun's new contract whenever he gets there.

Hronek might have sucked in the playoffs, but he was able to hold it steady as Hughes partner and play as a solid top pairing guy. Chychrun hasn't shown he can do that on a winning squad. No way Chychrun gets $7 million aav on a long term deal, he doesn't outscore his softness and doesn't anchor a top pairing either.

Chychrun's best case scenario is to go to a good team in a low tax state (see: Florida, Carolina or Dallas) where he can settle for a $5.75-6.25M cap hit but still take home more money than he would have on a $7M deal in Ottawa and settle in as a 2nd pairing, top-unit PP guy.

 

[JungleBeat]

Chychrun is a guy you keep. Top four dmen don't grow on trees.

 

[maclean]

As I very rarely get the chance to see full games, I can't really form a personal opinion on Chychrun and can only draw on the opinions expressed by others.

That said, I can't help but feel like the comparison is that hot girl you really want to ask out, then you do and she says yes, and then you're out with her and you're like - why do I still feel empty inside

 

[Tuna99]

I think he gets traded for picks and prospects because they’ll want the salary slot for Tanev/another FA RD.

Staois really understands value and I think he’s going to really do well on the Chychryn trade and then filling that $5-6 salary slot

And good on Chychryn for playing 82 and having a career year and scoring some goals. He’s really kept or even increased his value on a team who didn’t do well and that’s really going to help us in his trade

 

[bert]

There might be areas we are worse in though.

Like we could be more balanced, but less skilled...and then maybe all of a sudden we're defending well, but can't seem to hit the back of the net.

No one knows.

But the idea of replacing skilled players with grit, definitely does balance this team more...so it COULD benefit the team, but it could also mean with less skill, we have less puck possession and maybe struggle to make break out passes or to get the puck out of our net.

We can't just assume that every trade of roster or turnover of players will be a beneficial one. It could get worse.


Replacing chychrun and brannstrom with 2 big shut down D definitely makes us harder to play against. But does it mean a lot of plays are off the glass and out and back on the other teams stick?


Everyone is assuming that moves we make will improve us...but is anyone considering that moves we make can also make us worse?


Everyone is getting too positive around here where they're automatically assuming improvements...that's not how it works. Improvements aren't automatic.

There are way higher hockey IQ people running this team at every level. I don't think they're going to sacrifice as much skill as you seem to think. Brannstom and Chychrun were not driving the offense by any means. I don't think that Kleven for example moves the puck any worse out of the zone than Chychrun did. He isn't the same offensive player from the blue line in but this teams problem was getting hemmed in and defending. Because players like Branntsrom and Chychrun either weren't competing enough or didn't have the tools. Branntsroms brain on chychs body would be a bona-fide number 1 all situations d man. But alas they are not one haha.

I'd actually be fine with bringing branny back but not at 2 million that's crazy for a bottom pair guy who probably wouldn't dress in a playoff situation on any team.

So let's say the new d core has added Kleven and Tanev. Branny and Chychrun are out. I'd expect them to get a cheap puck mover like branny that makes less money as a depth player in the organization. Small skill d men are easy to find.

I will say this I'm very intrigued to see how all these young d men do with a real defenseman coach. Which makes me want to bring them back and just see before they make any decisions but the left side is way too over crowded with the same types of players. While a guy like Kleven who is exactly what this team is missing is in my opinion ready for bottom pairing and pk duty.

 

[bert]

The new Hronek deal (8 years $7.2 million aav) sets a ceiling for Chychrun's new contract whenever he gets there.

Hronek might have sucked in the playoffs, but he was able to hold it steady as Hughes partner and play as a solid top pairing guy. Chychrun hasn't shown he can do that on a winning squad. No way Chychrun gets $7 million aav on a long term deal, he doesn't outscore his softness and doesn't anchor a top pairing either.

He is also a righty there just aren't very many. There's tons of LHD that have top 4 capability other than small skill scoring wingers a top 4 LD is the easiest piece to go out and get via trade or free agency.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Chychrun is a guy you keep. Top four dmen don't grow on trees.

Nope he was brutal, won the green jacket last year. Luckily the team doesn’t agree with you, need to turn his money into a RD.

 

[JungleBeat]

Nope he was brutal, won the green jacket last year. Luckily the team doesn’t agree with you, need to turn his money into a RD.

How many dmen since 2010 have been better than Chychrun on the Sens? Karlsson, Gonchar, Chabot and that's it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

How many dmen since 2010 have been better than Chychrun on the Sens? Karlsson, Gonchar, Chabot and that's it.

Need a RD way more than Chychurn, no more green jackets.

 

[Micklebot]

How many dmen since 2010 have been better than Chychrun on the Sens? Karlsson, Gonchar, Chabot and that's it.

I'd take Methot, Zub and DeMelo ahead of him, obviously Sanderson too. Hell, there's a strong argument for Phaneuf, and Kuba, both were significantly better defensively.

He put some points but was a disaster in his own end. I think he can be much better, and if he plays to his abilities he's rockets up the list but he was a liability out there.

 

[Loach]

I'd take Methot, Zub and DeMelo ahead of him, obviously Sanderson too. Hell, there's a strong argument for Phaneuf, and Kuba, both were significantly better defensively.

He put some points but was a disaster in his own end. I think he can be much better, and if he plays to his abilities he's rockets up the list but he was a liability out there.

Lance Pitlick!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'd take Methot, Zub and DeMelo ahead of him, obviously Sanderson too. Hell, there's a strong argument for Phaneuf, and Kuba, both were significantly better defensively.

He put some points but was a disaster in his own end. I think he can be much better, and if he plays to his abilities he's rockets up the list but he was a liability out there.

I obviously loved the trade at the time, but Arizona did a really good job making him look really good leading up to the trade. They put him in a position to succeed with match-ups and deployment. I think he's still a really good second-pairing guy, but Chabot and Sanderson are both objectively better than him, and he doesn't seem to play very well on the right side.

 

[DrEasy]

As I very rarely get the chance to see full games, I can't really form a personal opinion on Chychrun and can only draw on the opinions expressed by others.

That said, I can't help but feel like the comparison is that hot girl you really want to ask out, then you do and she says yes, and then you're out with her and you're like - why do I still feel empty inside

Sorry, I can't help you as I never experienced your comparison. I'll let you guess which part didn't apply to me...

 

[Tuna99]

According to the Sens insiders Steve Staois is such a nice guy he’s not even actively shopping Chychryn he’s only listening to trade offers he doesn’t actively participate in the phone calls he just passively listens while Other GMs make fantasy trade proposals.

Poulin is a nice guy, Alfie is a nice guy, Boumgartner seems like a sweet guy, Steve Staois is a quiet Calm guy

We have a coaching staff and management group of KILLERS. i love our management group. Super intelligent, Super competitive and they will take your lunch money

 

[bicboi64]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1816461011487953110

Props to Staios for just keeping his rationale simple and clean. Hope Chychrun plays with the same intensity he did all season long when the Caps play us

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

According to the Sens insiders Steve Staois is such a nice guy he’s not even actively shopping Chychryn he’s only listening to trade offers he doesn’t actively participate in the phone calls he just passively listens while Other GMs make fantasy trade proposals.

Poulin is a nice guy, Alfie is a nice guy, Boumgartner seems like a sweet guy, Steve Staois is a quiet Calm guy

We have a coaching staff and management group of KILLERS. i love our management group. Super intelligent, Super competitive and they will take your lunch money

"hey jake, if its okay with you we might have a deal with washington, but i dont want to push you know, only if you're cool with it, i really need to hear back from you by 12 pm today but if thats too soon you know take your time you know? okay jake, love you, bye."

 

[BoardsofCanada]

I like Jensen; I'm confident he'll make Ottawa harder to score on. But I don't think we got enough in return for Chychrun. Not Staios' fault. I'm sure he took the best offer. I very surprised there weren't much better offers.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I like Jensen; I'm confident he'll make Ottawa harder to score on. But I don't think we got enough in return for Chychrun. Not Staios' fault. I'm sure he took the best offer. I very surprised there weren't much better offers.

It is difficult to evaluate the process without knowing what kind of offers were on the table previously.

It was a buyer's market at the trade deadline, so I suspect the offers were not strong. Then at the draft, Marino went for two 2nd round picks.

I think most people see that Jensen is a fit, but are disappointed because Chychrun was viewed as our big trade chip that was going to help restock the cupboards in some way. They don't view Jensen as being worth anywhere near what they perceived Chychrun should have been worth.

I also think there is a sensitivity to coming out on the losing end of trades, because it happened so often under the previous regime, and people strongly want to believe that the new regime is more competent. Even if there is a way to defend things like the Tarasenko, Joseph, or Chychrun trades with context about why the returns may have been what they were, it cuts some people deep to see the team trade away pieces for much less than what they (perhaps, wrongly) speculated those pieces should be worth.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I suspect there were more valuable offers in a vacuum for Chychrun at the draft in terms of just picks/prospects, but Staios turned them down in favour of trading Chychrun for immediate help at a position of need.

I'd have preferred a couple 2nds to Jensen + 3rd if we were able to sign a solid RD, but we apparently struck out on all the decent options available on July 1st.

So many were convinced we were signing Roy, Tanev, Pesce or one of the other top RD available. Was throwing cold water on that all season. Turns out we couldn't even get a bottom pairing RD like Dumba, Lyubushkin or Miller to sign here.

Given we've missed the playoffs 7 straight seasons and are at risk of seeing key players refuse to re-sign (Ullmark) or request out (Brady) if we continue to suck, I don't blame Staios for opting for a short-term fix like Jensen as the main Chychrun return instead of picks.

Having said this, it's yet another deal in a long line of trades that see us opting for short-term gain for long-term pain. After dealing a 1st for Ullmark and not trading Chychrun for futures, we really really can't trade anymore futures for immediate help. That time has passed.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Chychrun is a guy you keep. Top four dmen don't grow on trees.

No.