Prospect Info: Jake Sanderson (D) PART 2

[Gil Gunderson]

Didn't we JUST learn our lesson on not overvaluing points in college with Tkachuk?

Points don't mean shit.

His style of play will translate to the NHL very well.

Yes they do. There are other factors in play but to act like there’s no correlation is just wrong.

 

[GCK]

Definitely leave Sanderson in the AHL next year for the full season.

No need to rush the kid, especially as a blueliner.

If he is good enough to make the roster next year play him in the NHL. Guys who are ready can still develop in the league especially a league with way more structure. I can see us resigning Gudbranson for a year to be his partner.

 

[DrSense]

I think Sanderson is already better than both Wolanin & Brannstrom & bigger & a better skater although Wolanin has great wheels. He will need to add a lot more muscle to his frame but we have a few young guys playing who are even smaller than he is. If he improves our defence he should play, if he needs some development time we have a place for him in Belleville too. I'm not sure he will want to stay in school if the program graduates a bunch of their star players besides JBD & Pinto.

I think you are selling the AHL (and NHL) short in terms of the difference in levels versus NCAA.

While Sanderson is definitely better defensively at the same age, Brannstrom demonstrated arguably more of an impact at the WJC than Sanderson a few years ago, and Brannstrom is much further ahead now that he was then. He's also shown he is almost a PPG player the AHL level over a sustained period of time. Same for Wolanin in the AHL. Now Sanderson still has another year at the WJC, but in terms of comparing the current versions of each player, I think you are really reaching here.

While I have no doubt Sanderson will be much better defensively as a pro rookie than most other rookie D, saying he's already better than Wolanin and Brannstrom is really a stretch. Brannstrom was dominating in the AHL last season and is better now, than then. What you're suggesting is Sanderson would "more than dominate" the AHL right now, which I just don't think is true. I have no doubt he could be an AHL regular now, but all of this comes at a cost of stunting his offensive game. He's a guy we all want to see free wheel it a bit more in the years ahead, and accelerating his path to the NHL won't help there.

Either way, I just don't believe he'd be a better NHL player at this moment than Brannstrom, or probably Wolanin either. I don't want to find out either.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If he is good enough to make the roster next year play him in the NHL. Guys who are ready can still develop in the league especially a league with way more structure. I can see us resigning Gudbranson for a year to be his partner.

Would be horrific. Gudbranson has lost a step quickly. If Sanderson is in the league his D must be Zub or Zaitsev and we must sign stop gap number 4 to play with Chabot or Brannstrom. Can’t continue playing this shit show of a defense and expect Sanderson to develop in it with what we currently have on the right side.

ideal situation IF Sanderson makes team

Chabot-Fabbro
Brannstrom-Zaitsev
Sanderson-Zub

The flat cap and expansion draft will present many opportunities to obtain solid asset. Zaitsev is later dumped when JBD is ready. Or maybe we traded JBD for Fabbro

 

[aragorn]

Would be horrific. Gudbranson has lost a step quickly. If Sanderson is in the league his D must be Zub or Zaitsev and we must sign stop gap number 4 to play with Chabot or Brannstrom. Can’t continue playing this shit show of a defense and expect Sanderson to develop in it with what we currently have on the right side.

ideal situation IF Sanderson makes team

Chabot-Fabbro
Brannstrom-Zaitsev
Sanderson-Zub

The flat cap and expansion draft will present many opportunities to obtain solid asset. Zaitsev is later dumped when JBD is ready. Or maybe we traded JBD for Fabbro

Well, the funny thing is that the right side of this defence has been better than the left side which has been rotating the 2nd & 3rd spots since the beginning of the yr. Even Chabot has been pretty bad this season especially defensively, maybe he has a nagging injury, but he hasn't been good. On the right side, Zub has been a very pleasant surprise & even Zaitsev has had a decent season so far & Gudbranson has been the best of the worse that's left.

I doubt they re-sign Gubranson RD for two reasons, the first being that they have J. Brown RD signed for another season, Zaitsev has a lot more term left & it's most likely they will re-sign Zub to a longer deal given how well he has played. Unless they move Gud or one of the others between now & the start of next season they don't need Gud. And who knows if this taxi system lasts beyond this yr as well.

The second reason is that of all the UFAs Gudbranson actually brings something of value especially to teams going into the playoffs like the Leafs who could use some size & grit on their defence. And speaking of defence & the playoffs, look at your defence, do you think they could survive a playoff run against a bigger & tougher team that would target that defence.

We had EK for a long time & never won it all with him in the lineup, but went far a couple of times & look at the punishment he took in the playoffs when he had a target on his back. I think you have to have a couple of tougher players on defence to clear the front of the net, to punish guys in the corners, to block shots & throw some vicious hits & to drop the gloves & defend teammates when required. You can't just have all PMD on defence, it just doesn't work when guys can go to the net with impunity & get in the goalie's face & block his view & put pucks in the net front right in front of him. That's where Tkachuk is super successful & that's where opposing forwards would be successful against us.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If he is good enough to make the roster next year play him in the NHL. Guys who are ready can still develop in the league especially a league with way more structure. I can see us resigning Gudbranson for a year to be his partner.

Yeah that’s a crash course in defending all by yourself.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Chabot-Fabbro

Chabbro

 

[DrEasy]

Is Sanderson paired up with JBD right now?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Is Sanderson paired up with JBD right now?

Last two games hes played primarily with Ethan Frisch. He did some few shifts with JBD.

Before that he played RD alongside Kleven as well.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

A

Is Sanderson paired up with JBD right now?

at even strength basically never.

they play on PP2 together.

he sometimes plays with kleven at even strength and he slides to the right

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I think you are selling the AHL (and NHL) short in terms of the difference in levels versus NCAA.

While Sanderson is definitely better defensively at the same age, Brannstrom demonstrated arguably more of an impact at the WJC than Sanderson a few years ago, and Brannstrom is much further ahead now that he was then. He's also shown he is almost a PPG player the AHL level over a sustained period of time. Same for Wolanin in the AHL. Now Sanderson still has another year at the WJC, but in terms of comparing the current versions of each player, I think you are really reaching here.

While I have no doubt Sanderson will be much better defensively as a pro rookie than most other rookie D, saying he's already better than Wolanin and Brannstrom is really a stretch. Brannstrom was dominating in the AHL last season and is better now, than then. What you're suggesting is Sanderson would "more than dominate" the AHL right now, which I just don't think is true. I have no doubt he could be an AHL regular now, but all of this comes at a cost of stunting his offensive game. He's a guy we all want to see free wheel it a bit more in the years ahead, and accelerating his path to the NHL won't help there.

Either way, I just don't believe he'd be a better NHL player at this moment than Brannstrom, or probably Wolanin either. I don't want to find out either.

Agreed. Obviously.

Sanderson, right now, is nowhere close to Brannstrom and is almost definitely behind Wolanin. He just turned 18 FFS. Brannstrom has been borderline dominant in some of the best professional leagues in the world while Sanderson is borderline dominant playing against frat boys in the NCAA.

Sanderson looks like he'll be an excellent player but the only reason that poster said he's better than Brannstrom is because his evaluation of hockey players starts and stops with a tape measure.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don’t know how he said this if he said “IF he’s here”. I expect him to be with the sens tho

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I don’t know how he said this if he said “IF he’s here”. I expect him to be with the sens tho

AYYYYYYYYYY. Wonderful news. Can't wait to see it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don’t know how he said this if he said “IF he’s here”. I expect him to be with the sens tho

I'm sure he's hoping for that

 

[Imnotagoodposter]

I can see us resigning Gudbranson for a year to be his partner.

You know when you burp and you puke a bit

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

You know when you burp and you puke a bit

pelican puke

 

[NHL Dude 120]

I want Sanderson to spend another year in college. Look at how well it went for Makar. After that maybe a year in the AHL.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I want Sanderson to spend another year in college. Look at how well it went for Makar. After that maybe a year in the AHL.

Won't need it at all. I'd bet he steps in straight away into a top 4 role and plays as probably our 2nd(or 3rd if we make a move) best D at the end of next season.

Him going to College also will do one of two things:

1) Allow him to develop well in a good environment away from Ottawa if we do become a bottom feeder yet again next year - further increasing our chance for a better pick.

2) He comes in to provide us support for a late playoff push heading into the tail end of next season.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Won't need it at all. I'd bet he steps in straight away into a top 4 role and plays as probably our 2nd(or 3rd if we make a move) best D at the end of next season.

Him going to College also will do one of two things:

1) Allow him to develop well in a good environment away from Ottawa if we do become a bottom feeder yet again next year - further increasing our chance for a better pick.

2) He comes in to provide us support for a late playoff push heading into the tail end of next season.

Truthfully I'd rather we not make a playoff run 2022 as I think we need one of the high end pieces Wright and/or Lambert and Savoie.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

You know when you burp and you puke a bit

Don't worry, no chance of that happening.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I vote for another year in college. But I was also advocating for Timmy to spend another year somewhere else after the first few games. So I doubt myself here.

It would be amazing for JS to lead ND and the US team next year though. And take any chance of a negative effect of "rushing" him out of play. He's too important to our future, our future won't be next year.

 

[Xspyrit]

Yes they do. There are other factors in play but to act like there’s no correlation is just wrong.

Oh comon now, points is just another fancy advanced stats. Goals don't matter, only the W does!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Button talks about the BPA concept here
Button: I would keep Sanderson in North Dakota

I have the feeling the Sanderson camp will want more. Especially if the AHL is allowed to retain some of the young prospects that they are playing this year with no CHL to date. I think he gets NHL games this year after the University circuit is done. Whether that leads to an AHL or NHL spot next year I'm not sure. I see the same for Pinto and Bernard-Docker.

I think he will be in the NHL next year. However, a development year in the AHL would be way more beneficial than another year in the NCAA. More games and he can be put on PP1, PK1 and top pair in Belleville because it’s a developmental league. He would be too good for NCAA on a young team, time for the next level.

Agreed and it doesn’t seem like the competition is that great in his conference

Rushing Sanderson could have terrible consequences. He IS NHL ready and can comfortably play in our bottom pair now but so can Seider play in Detroit's top pair right now; yet he's in the SHL. Sanderson can perform and succeed well next year but I have never heard of a prospect busting from being overripe but I have heard of one due to being rushed.

It's not whether Sanderson is ready or not, it's to allow him to fully develop all elements of his game the way Detroit has been doing with Seider. Anyone that has watched Sanderson play has seen enormous progression from the beginning of the year until now in regards to play with the puck and handling of it. However, it still has so much more potential and a few of his amazing dashes could have been better handled(he still fumbles or seems hesitant with the puck when going full speed and bobbles it yet), his hands are not fully caught up to his feet and we wanna disrupt that? Send him back NCAA, let him be able to properly control the puck in blazing speed and gain full confidence with his offensive budding ability then integrate this guy in NHL.

What the hell is the rush? If he is too good for NCAA, or if he himself decides to go pro, play him in AHL for half season at least and go from there.

Look at this play:



At the beginning of the year, Sanderson wouldnt at all have made that happen, yet his progression has been so good that you can still see the potential for him to make one more big move with his hand to score there or generate even better opportunity than the back hand shovel or holding it second extra for better scoring chance after he comes from the boards. Seriously, Sanderson has remarkable potential. Top 5 in the league, imo.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[DaveMatthew]

Returning to ND is the right decision. Have a Cale Makar type season and then step into the top 4 in 2022 with, hopefully, a new front-office and coaching staff in place to help him develop.