Value of: Jake Evans

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“@renlavoietva says on TVA Sports during the game against Colorado that he spoke with Jake Evans before the game in Chicago and Evans told him he wants to be clear, he wants to continue his career in Montreal. Renaud also mentions the team” wants to keep him #GoHabsGo
7:39 PM · 4 janv. 2025

 

[dgibb10]

Yes, I'm sure, if he could, he would undo the trade where he picked up the Lane Hutson pick for Brett Kulak.

I guess he will just have to take that "loss."

Valuing trades based on the value of the pick when the pick doesn't work out (Mesar), but based on the outcome of the pick when it does (Hutson), is a terrible way (and dishonest) way to evaluate a GMs trading ability.

If we want to talk about his drafting, that is a different story

 

[RationalExpectations]

Toffoli (1st + 5th +Heineman), Lehkonen (Barron + 2nd), Kulak (2nd + 5th)

He's constantly fleecing other GMs. You don't have to accept it, you can just wait for Hughes to make a trade with New Jersey and learn first hand.

Nothing to do with fleecing anybody, it is all about market value and mathematical expectation. A 1st is magic beans, is a 10% shot at a 2C in 5 years worth a sure bottom 6 center right now ? For a contender who think this will be the difference between winning the SC and not winning it, for sure.

Foligno got a 1st, Savard Goodrow Coleman too and Hughes was not involved.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Nothing to do with fleecing anybody, it is all about market value and mathematical expectation. A 1st is magic beans, is a 10% shot at a 2C in 5 years worth a sure bottom 6 center right now ? For a contender who think this will be the difference between winning the SC and not winning it, for sure.

Foligno got a 1st, Savard Goodrow Coleman too and Hughes was not involved.

Gaustad and a 4th once got a 1st and arguably Preds still won the trade as they got several serviceable years out of Gaustad while Sabres drafted Girgensons

Nashville drafting Saros with that 4th didn’t hurt of course…

 

[vokiel]

He's going to get us a first, you can call your bookie and place your bets.

That or we're not trading him and it'll be a late re-sign.

 

[InsideLaine]

This imo is a textbook-case of a team garnering a mighty fine return on a player that they'd deem to be too expensive for a re-signing in any case. Multiple contending teams are willing to give up the required package to ge this bloke

 

[Frank Drebin]

If anything Sakic was the one fleecing Motreal GM. Value wise pretty even trade, which in hindsight Avs 100% won.

Evans would be very good get for the Avs but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him. NYR 2nd rounder maybe.

I don’t see evans going for as little as that. Don’t you guys have some more busted prospects?

 

[boompuffboom]

The Mix has entered the thread.

71 is staying put, merci bonsoir.

 

[Lockin17]

I rather trade Newhook and Keep Evans

 

[DingDongCharlie]

He's going to get us a first, you can call your bookie and place your bets.

That or we're not trading him and it'll be a late re-sign.

That's 2 scenarios, but you speak like it's the only 2 options. It's ignoring that he might actually want to test free agency. Only comments I've seen is 1st or we sign him. He's a pending UFA, not an RFA. The premise being touted here ignores the players options in the situation completely.

Personally I think you should extend him if you, as I don't believe he fetches an unconditional 1st. If he does, than not much to debate, clearly.

 

[vokiel]

That's 2 scenarios, but you speak like it's the only 2 options. It's ignoring that he might actually want to test free agency. Only comments I've seen is 1st or we sign him. He's a pending UFA, not an RFA. The premise being touted here ignores the players options in the situation completely.

Personally I think you should extend him if you, as I don't believe he fetches an unconditional 1st. If he does, than not much to debate, clearly.

Teams don't plan on losing 26 yo players to free agency. The scenarios are the likely ones for Habs management. Letting him walk for nothing doesn't sound like something they should be planning.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Teams don't plan on losing 26 yo players to free agency. The scenarios are the likely ones for Habs management. Letting him walk for nothing doesn't sound like something they should be planning.

I wasn't implying letting him walk as a UFA for nothing. I'm saying Evans camp may indeed be looking to test free agency. If that's the case, Habs need to see what offers are available. This is a hypothetical, but Evans decision on signing will absolutely effect the return the Habs can pull for him.

 

[vokiel]

I wasn't implying letting him walk as a UFA for nothing. I'm saying Evans camp may indeed be looking to test free agency. If that's the case, Habs need to see what offers are available. This is a hypothetical, but Evans decision on signing will absolutely effect the return the Habs can pull for him.

They already have one on the table to compare with (Vatrano). According to Evans he has not heard anything from Habs yet. We'll see how it goes up to the TDL,

The more UFAs sign early, the easier it is to plan ahead eh.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Toffoli (1st + 5th +Heineman), Lehkonen (Barron + 2nd), Kulak (2nd + 5th)

He's constantly fleecing other GMs. You don't have to accept it, you can just wait for Hughes to make a trade with New Jersey and learn first hand.

I mean, I wouldn't call that fleecing

Those trades were wins for the Habs since those players would not have fitted our time table, but

- Toffoli was a solid player, and still is
Heineman is a nice piece for the future, but I don't see him becoming has good as Toffoli ever was, not close. The picks are still up in the air

- Hage might be our answer for the second line and if it does, it will be a homerun from Hughes
But Lehkonen was one of the MVP for that Colorado Cup, and in hindsight, they redo that deal 10/10 too. Barron was dogshit, but somehow, Hughes flipped him for Carrier in a different trade, which is a huge W for us

- Kulak is an excellent bottom pairing defenseman, Edmonton do that deal again, I think. Obviously, Lane Hutson is an incredible piece and has the potential to make this trade absolutly Lopsided for us, but we have the benefit of living in the future

 

[dgibb10]

I mean, I wouldn't call that fleecing

Those trades were wins for the Habs since those players would not have fitted our time table, but

- Toffoli was a solid player, and still is
Heineman is a nice piece for the future, but I don't see him becoming has good as Toffoli ever was, not close. The picks are still up in the air

- Hage might be our answer for the second line and if it does, it will be a homerun from Hughes
But Lehkonen was one of the MVP for that Colorado Cup, and in hindsight, they redo that deal 10/10 too. Barron was dogshit, but somehow, Hughes flipped him for Carrier in a different trade, which is a huge W for us

- Kulak is an excellent bottom pairing defenseman, Edmonton do that deal again, I think. Obviously, Lane Hutson is an incredible piece and has the potential to make this trade absolutly Lopsided for us, but we have the benefit of living in the future

You didn't acquire hage with the lehkonen pick.

Trying to dump him in as if you got a 1st and not a 2nd is weak

 

[Bouboumaster]

You didn't acquire hage with the lehkonen pick.

Colorado pick was traded to Los Angeles get the draft pick we use to acquire Hage
I should have been clearer

 

[dgibb10]

Colorado pick was traded to Los Angeles get the draft pick we use to acquire Hage
I should have been clearer

Along with another 1st and another pick in a completely seperate trade.

Trying to include that in with the Lehkonen deal is weird at best. If he wanted to move up for Hage, he could have still done so with any other number of picks even if he kept Lehkonen.

 

[CTHabsfan]

I rather trade Newhook and Keep Evans

I'd rather keep the guy who is 5-years younger, has 12 more goals in 54 fewer NHL games, and has a $2.9 million cap hit through the 2026-27 season than sign the guy having the best stretch of his career to a contract everyone will be complaining about in a year or two.

 

[Legend123]

I'd rather keep the guy who is 5-years younger, has 12 more goals in 54 fewer NHL games, and has a $2.9 million cap hit through the 2026-27 season than sign the guy having the best stretch of his career to a contract everyone will be complaining about in a year or two.

Newhook likely won't have a future on this team.

Sadly though I don't think he has any value now. Does nothing and isn't good defensively.

Gonna have to stick it out and hope he bounces back second half.

Imagine being on pace for less than 20 points while getting 2nd line minutes and pp time

 

[StewieP19]

Montréal are not so far to be in playoff. let see in the next month what happened. If Montréal still in the Playoffs mix I think they will keep Evans or trade him to add a bigger piece on their team

 

[Habs Halifax]

If anything Sakic was the one fleecing Motreal GM. Value wise pretty even trade, which in hindsight Avs 100% won.

Evans would be very good get for the Avs but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him. NYR 2nd rounder maybe.

Not happening for just a 2nd round. Evans has gradually improved season after season and he is that that type who is touching his prime a little later. He's great on faceoffs and in the 200' game which is valued a lot. List the available centers at the TDL and you will see the supply/demand for someone like Evans.

Habs will resign if the offer is just a 2nd. It will be one of the following:
* Late 1st rounder
* 2nd rounder with a solid prospect trending well (lets say B+ type)
* Habs resign.

Newhook likely won't have a future on this team.

Sadly though I don't think he has any value now. Does nothing and isn't good defensively.

Gonna have to stick it out and hope he bounces back second half.

Imagine being on pace for less than 20 points while getting 2nd line minutes and pp time

Newhook is a middle 6F who works very hard and can play center if required (injury insurance reasons). He's got some value but yeah, he's a secondary part of any teams core and easily replaceable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's 2 scenarios, but you speak like it's the only 2 options. It's ignoring that he might actually want to test free agency. Only comments I've seen is 1st or we sign him. He's a pending UFA, not an RFA. The premise being touted here ignores the players options in the situation completely.

Personally I think you should extend him if you, as I don't believe he fetches an unconditional 1st. If he does, than not much to debate, clearly.

Depends on a lot of factors.
* Where the Habs are near the TDL
* What contract Evans will ask for (in season for him to stay)
* What teams are offering.

Lets say Evans demands 5x $5M and at the same time, no team offers a mid to late 1st. In this case, I can see Evans being traded for a 2nd and B+ prospect.

What is the list of available centers for this TDL? Supply/Demand is always a huge factor at any TDL.

 

[Murzu]

Not happening for just a 2nd round. Evans has gradually improved season after season and he is that that type who is touching his prime a little later. He's great on faceoffs and in the 200' game which is valued a lot. List the available centers at the TDL and you will see the supply/demand for someone like Evans.

Habs will resign if the offer is just a 2nd. It will be one of the following:
* Late 1st rounder
* 2nd rounder with a solid prospect trending well (lets say B+ type)
* Habs resign.



Newhook is a middle 6F who works very hard and can play center if required (injury insurance reasons). He's got some value but yeah, he's a secondary part of any teams core and easily replaceable.

Rangers 2nd is pretty close to being one of the first picks in the 2nd round. That was my offer, maybe a C level prospect added.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Rangers 2nd is pretty close to being one of the first picks in the 2nd round. That was my offer, maybe a C level prospect added.

More than 50% of the season to go. Hard to say where the Rangers 2nd will fall.

A late first to me is 25-32 range. Rangers 2nd is probably 40-50 range at best. That's a 15 pick difference.

If you offer a 2nd (from 40-50 more likely), we would need a prospect rated B+. Someone tracking well.

 

[Legend123]

Not happening for just a 2nd round. Evans has gradually improved season after season and he is that that type who is touching his prime a little later. He's great on faceoffs and in the 200' game which is valued a lot. List the available centers at the TDL and you will see the supply/demand for someone like Evans.

Habs will resign if the offer is just a 2nd. It will be one of the following:
* Late 1st rounder
* 2nd rounder with a solid prospect trending well (lets say B+ type)
* Habs resign.



Newhook is a middle 6F who works very hard and can play center if required (injury insurance reasons). He's got some value but yeah, he's a secondary part of any teams core and easily replaceable.

I don't see him working hard