Value of: Jake Evans
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Since GMs like Kent Hughes entered the league. If he wants to sell Evans, he'll get a 1st for him no doubt about it. Guy is a master fleecer
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The only close examples are Ben Chairot who is a big physical defenseman that was less than a year removed from playing 25 MPG on Montreal's run to the Stanley cup finals and Sean Monahan who was a top 6 center for the majority of his career and coming off a bounce back season with Montreal. Jake Evans is a career bottom 6 center that provides solid but unspectacular low event hockey, how many examples are there of players with his style of play getting a 1st round pick back as a rental?
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Toffoli (1st + 5th +Heineman), Lehkonen (Barron + 2nd), Kulak (2nd + 5th)
He's constantly fleecing other GMs. You don't have to accept it, you can just wait for Hughes to make a trade with New Jersey and learn first hand.
Lehkonen is one of the best two-way wingers in the NHL and wasn’t even a pending UFA at the time. His underlying metrics before he got dealt while he was still with Montreal were outstanding.
It was a fine/fair return at the time (downright terrible now) - but that hardly fits conveniently in your broad “fleecing” bucket. The idea that nobody knew who Lehkonen was and that he didn’t show some pretty incredible metrics before being dealt is completely revisionist. There was absolutely sentiment on the Habs board at the time of “shit he’s gonna explode with a team that knows how to use him”.
Not a fleecing at all. Not even when it happened.
Kulak was for a 2nd and a 7th and Edmonton does that deal over again in a heartbeat. Kulak is a legitimate defender who is soaking in really effective top four minutes for a Cup finals team. Also not even remotely close to a “fleecing” then or now.
The idea that you feel somehow Hughes or Montreal “got one over” Colorado or Edmonton in these deals is rich. Hughes has been good IMO and has gotten some good deals done but he’s definitely not infallible.
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Toffoli had two and half years left on his contract, how was that a fleece? Lehkonen had great underlying numbers, was 26 at the time of trade and was an RFA after the season, getting a 2nd + good but not great prospect in Barron for him wasn't a fleece. Kulak was good value, but a 2nd round pick for a bottom pairing defenseman Isn't an uncommon occurrence at the deadline.
My point Isn't that Hughes can't get good value as a seller, the point is that there's not much precedent for a career bottom six forward getting a 1st round pick back in a deadline deal as a rental. Even in a weak rental class there's still tons of players I'd rather give up a 1st round pick for than Evans.
Those are all guys who were a part of the cup run.
Also in retrospect he arguably lost all 3 of those trades.
NJ has. It got us Kovacevic and Allen for a 3rd and a 4th
Guhle cap hit goes up by 4.6 mill. His bonuses will carry over since you're using LTIR and unable to accrue cap space. How much remains to be seen
Slaf hit goes up by 6.7 mill. His bonuses will also carry over since you're using LTIR.
Hutsons bonuses will also carry over.
Likely the same 1 mill or so in bonus overages, leaving roughly this cap situation (this assumes 94 mill cap), although it could go to 1.5 or so.
9 slots to fill, 12.6-12 mill cap space (could be 10 with a 92 mill cap).
Dipping into LTIR again would add another 10 mill to spend, allowing 9 guys at approximately 2 mill apiece
between
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Can't see him slotting in as a 3rd line C on a contender. Where do you see him as a fit?
I was reading an article the other day that said he could command around 4.5 sheets per year on a new deal. Nice story/player but not in that realm for me, wouldn't go as far to say replacement level but not far off in grand scheme esp @ that number.
If anything Sakic was the one fleecing Motreal GM. Value wise pretty even trade, which in hindsight Avs 100% won.
Evans would be very good get for the Avs but I wouldn't give up a 1st for him. NYR 2nd rounder maybe.
I don't know that fleece is the best description. But Hughes has made some very shrewd deals. Getting a 1st out of Calgary to take on Monahan then getting anothercl 1st trading him to Winnipeg. Getting Laine and a 2nd for Jordan Harris. Carrier for Barron looks like a home run.
He tends to do well in trades.
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Yo, the disrespect towards Habs Legend Tyler Pitlick is flagrant.
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Toffoli scored 30+ goals in both years after that on his contract
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Just FYI that's the kind of player that wins ya Cups. Great role player, team guy and puts in the timely goal now and then. He's the kind of guy you have to save money for on Playoff runs.
It'd be real nice to unload that final year but either way we're still good.
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Yes, I'm sure, if he could, he would undo the trade where he picked up the Lane Hutson pick for Brett Kulak.
I guess he will just have to take that "loss."
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