Benstheman
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Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)
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Deebs
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Unfortunately, given his age, that's too long. Tough to hand out that length of contract for a 3rd/4th liner. I totally understand why he'd ask for it because it's his last deal but if he isn't willing to move, then we need to walk away. Nothing personal, it's just business
Sorinth
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I don't think it's automatic that he would chase money, nor is it automatic that other teams are going to give him 4m+. I mean it's not like we are only ones to know that his S% is unsustainably high, every GM is going to look at him career year with a crazy high S% and have the same doubts we all do about what his production will be going forward. The career year is at best adding a few hundred K to his caphit.Obviously he's going to chase the bag. This is his chance to cash in on his career. It's been building up to this point. He's not going to give a "team-friendly deal" -- he's never had a chance to make a not-friendly deal in the first place, it would be insane for him to leave money on the table.
Let him sign with the Kraken or the Islanders for 4.15m a season or whatever it ends up being. I wish him the best. He's always welcome back at 50% retained
My guess is that Evans will care about term more then cap hit. Getting term means more guaranteed dollars, and most players will care about the top line dollar amount more then caphit. And that's doubly so for guys who have had serious injuries in the past, Evans will no doubt have at the back of his mind that it just takes one hit like the Scheifele to end his career and there's no next contract. So securing the max term and as a result highest total contract value is what he'll care about even in the case of trying to chase the bag.
That puts him at 33? There’s a lot of 3rd and 4th line vets in that neighborhood. Besides, in 2-3 years they probably trade him anyway.
Deebs
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If we're trading him in a couple years, then there's definitely no point in signing that type of deal.
Why not? If he’s still capable, teams might want term, especially if it’s reasonable money
Habs Halifax
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Personally, I am not appose to the 5 year term (age 29-33 is not that bad). My issue is we also have Hage, Beck, and Kapanen and a 3 year term for Evans fits better. It servers two things... Allows us time to evaluate our younger centers and overlaps Demidov's ELC.
Kudo Shinichi
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Because its almost guaranteed that it will end up a bad contract.
Evans turns 29 this summer. So he'll be 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 years old during that contract. Those are years when players decline.
Furthermore, we have Beck/Kapanen who will need that opportunity at 3C. So then you'll have Evans making good money playing on the 4th line. The habs will also be low on cap space in the last couple of years of that contract when they have Demidov, Hutson, Laine, Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, etc. making a ton of money. It will make keeping other better players on the roster harder because we have a 4th line center making like 4M.
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Evans career high points: 29
Evans actual points: 25
Only 4 points remaining to tie his career high points
Only 5 points remaining to have a new career high points (30)
Evans actual points: 25
Only 4 points remaining to tie his career high points
Only 5 points remaining to have a new career high points (30)
Sorinth
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If the caphit is kept low by going with those extra years then he would be easily tradeable if Beck/Kapanen ever replace him. It's also a fools game to predict when a player's age will cause a decline, plenty of players and in particular the speedy defensive guys are still at their peak for all their early 30s.
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The top dollar amount means either a high cap hit, which is bad and a no-go for a bottom6 player with a career high that starts with a 2, or a long contract, which is bad and a no-go for a bottom6 player who is 28 and not particularly fast, big, or tough.
I wish him well in his chasing the bag. Hope the Habs are smart enough to not risk it, and if they do risk it, I hope they're lucky enough it doesn't hurt.
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Sorinth
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Or it just means one year longer then whatever the agent feels they could get on the FA market. If his agent believes he'll get 3 years at 3.5m per as a FA, and we offer 4 years at 2.75m per, then it's more money then he would get as a FA while not being a particularly high cap hit or a long term contract.
And of course the security of signing a deal right now also has a monetary value because a poor playoff showing or a bad injury can put a quick end to these hypothetical FA offers. How much a person will value that security is of course going to depend on the person. There's no indication that Evans will want to chase potential dollars over settling for the guaranteed dollars. That theory is entirely based on what fans say they would do in their situation when they can conveniently ignore any and all risks.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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High shot % year
career high 29 points
closing to 30
This is why you dont give that 5x4 to a player like him. Yall gonna regret it in a year max.
career high 29 points
closing to 30
This is why you dont give that 5x4 to a player like him. Yall gonna regret it in a year max.
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Or he asks for 4 years at the same 3.5 cap hit and the Habs don't bite and he goes to FA knowing the rising cap means a lot of freewheeling and spending will come. We'll see.
Habs Halifax
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He's having his best season in a contract year. Go figure eh. I am happy for him and his family but as a Habs fan, I'm not paying for a 40-50 pts center for one good year. I value the other things he does more... 200' game, forecheck, penality kill, faceoffs. That's the Evans I would pay for
I think that's what his agent is advising. They will say this deal (5x $4.5M) or we go to UFA. I believe his career earnings is $8.5M so far. This is his chance to cash in.
I do trust Hughes to manage this well. He has way more information
Habs Halifax
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It's risky to give term yes. It could end up being a value contract or something you regret very quickly. Hard to say if this season's version of Evans is the real deal or not. It's a real dilemma for both Evans and the Habs IMO. Evans does not want to leave and the Habs want him to stay. I'm sure it but I think they have a term issue.
The best thing we can do is 6x $3M (low AAV) but with deferred payments when his 40+ (maybe another $5M or $6M... something like that). I'd feel like we can easily live with a $3M AAV even if there is some level of decline. Not sure if Hughes is open to doing deferred payments but it might fit in the Evans case. He gets to stay for 6 years with a group of guys he enjoys being around and he also gets tax advantages with the deferred payments.
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What are the top 4th line centers pulling down. We should NOT be paying Jake Evans much more than that.
Jake Evan will not be our 3C if we are to contend let alone win anything. HuGo knows this and should act accordingly. I would give Evans a decent raise for two seasons but then reduce the AAV after that as his role will surely change. 2x 3.5M-4M 3x 2.75M-3M. NO CLAUSES This would allow us some protection on the back end. Like it or take a hike Jake.
Jake Evan will not be our 3C if we are to contend let alone win anything. HuGo knows this and should act accordingly. I would give Evans a decent raise for two seasons but then reduce the AAV after that as his role will surely change. 2x 3.5M-4M 3x 2.75M-3M. NO CLAUSES This would allow us some protection on the back end. Like it or take a hike Jake.
Farmboy Patty
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I approve of this lineup for the exception of leaving Armia out. I'm confident that he will be extended and the skillset that he has will be crucial for a contending team aspiring for the SC.
Habs Halifax
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I don't know bud. I think he is a very good 3C. Look across the NHL at all the 3C's.
Funny on how things have switched this year. Glad to see our herd valuing guys like Armia. Because if we were to have a bottom 6 that is all youth, it's going to delay our march up the standings.
Prospect pool is full and we have more picks to come. Let them earn their way up and force your hand. We have to stop penciling in youth (other than Demidov types). These are now transition years and we should not be wasting prime years of Suzuki on a value contract. We have less holes and we have the prospect and draft assets to find pieces to fill those holes.
I disagree he's never been a good 3C and he's been playing the role for three seasons running now.
What he hasn't done is play a 4C role which I keep pointing out and people want to IGNORE.
