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Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

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vokiel said:
Funny because I'd take Anderson's deal and give it to Evans right away, and I would expect a much better return on investment. On the other hand if Anderson was at 1.7 million average, I don't think much of us would complain about him being consistently crap. If this fantasy existed, there wouldn't be any cap increase and Anderson would come off the books as planned.

There are also roles here. Playing center adds face-offs, it adds a lot of ice to cover, it adds a much bigger demand than a winger. So even if Evans ends up on a downward bad contract, I'd think it would still be a lot more manageable than the same deal given to Anderson.
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Everyone would do that if it was possible.
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
This is a great play but you think Evans can keep doing doing that? Idk giving that much for a 4th line center is alot
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He's not a 4th line center though. He's a an above average 3C that so many contenders need. He's not going to be this new 50+ pts player and hold this production but as a solid 3C, he's perfect for that role on a contender.

4th line center is weak context bud
 
LaP said:
Evans will be 29 next season his prime is almost done. Like for Gallagher i think fans are foolish thinking all players can be Jagr. It's very likely Evans will start slowing done at 30-31.
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Evans has less wear and tear due to having played a lot in the NCAA, AHL, and having seen less playoffs.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
He's not a 4th line center though. He's a an above average 3C that so many contenders need. He's not going to be this new 50+ pts player and hold this production but as a solid 3C, he's perfect for that role on a contender.

4th line center is weak context bud
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He is a middle six player imo. A deluxe 3rd line player who can play a role on a 2nd line when there's an injury. He will remain that for at least 2 other years.
 
LaP said:
He is a middle six player imo. A deluxe 3rd line player who can play a role on a 2nd line when there's an injury. He will remain that for at least 2 other years.
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You could be right but I don't think it plays out that way. Evans is a warrior and I think he has a great prime from 27-33. He's not the complacent type
 
vokiel said:
Vatrano's contract is interesting because they're both performing at roughly the same pace. It's also a hint of what GMs are going to be ready to invest come July 1st. If we don't offer a 5 per 6 imho, he walks.
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July 1 known for a lot of bad contracts handed out.
 
Evans role can be spread over more than one player that's why Hockey is considered to be a team sport.
Thinking we can't replace his production his special team's play and his face off play is flat out wrong.
How was Edmonton's PK last season in the playoffs? They used Ryan Nugent Hopkins as their main cog.
Ryan Nugent Hopkins was not drafted for his PK ability which goes to show that smart players can fill these types of roles.

Vatrano got 3 years Jake gets 5 years Vatrano gets 6M Jake's current game probably nets him close to the 4.9M Blake Coleman got.
I think the other issue is Jake Evans will almost assuredly fall off his current production as we fill our roster.
Think of Jake Evans centering a 4th line with Luke Tuch and Florian Xhekaj how much is that worth?

I'm a firm believer that if we can't replace a Jake Evans through our prospect pool we've failed.
The long game is what HuGo has stressed and a knee-jerk signing for short term gain flies in the face of that.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Byron had a lot of milage before that age. You're overlooking the context. Evans prime is later and his usage is not the same as Byron. Byron is also a smaller type player and these types do fade in 30+ years when their skating declines a bit.

Evans has size and plays the center position very well. His milage up to this point is not high. He's going to be an effective player from age 28-32/33 range. Bookmark it.
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Someone already forgot that Evans was only 1 contusion away from not playing in the NHL again 2 years ago and last year was the only season where he avoided injuries...and only the second one where he managed to play more than 55 games.

Evans has mileage.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
He's not a 4th line center though. He's a an above average 3C that so many contenders need. He's not going to be this new 50+ pts player and hold this production but as a solid 3C, he's perfect for that role on a contender.

4th line center is weak context bud
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He's the type of player that with good matchup and less ice time shines. I mean he's an upgrade to Dach and Dvorak offensively at least
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
He's the type of player that with good matchup and less ice time shines. I mean he's an upgrade to Dach and Dvorak offensively at least
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I think Evans is a great 3C and whoever has him for the next 3-5 years is going to get good value IMO.

Dach is frustrating but there is more there clearly. I'd trade Dach and add to improve but if it's not possible, I'm content to let Dach play out his last year of his deal next year. He will be more hungry to earn his next contract IMO.

Dvorak is meh but has been OK this year. His days are numbered.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
I think Evans is a great 3C and whoever has him for the next 3-5 years is going to get good value IMO.

Dach is frustrating but there is more there clearly. I'd trade Dach and add to improve but if it's not possible, I'm content to let Dach play out his last year of his deal next year. He will be more hungry to earn his next contract IMO.

Dvorak is meh but has been OK this year. His days are numbered.
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Yeah like I said it all depend on the money he asks , I wouldnt be thrilled for him to win like 4.5m a year... for 4-5 years Seems like a reach. for a player of his caliber . but yeah Dach for me is not the future and neither is Dvorak
 
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Guy Larose said:
They can say what they want but they are not ready and on his level yet.
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Right, but one of them needs to be integrated in the fall of 2025, and at least one other for the fall of 2026. So that argues against signing a depth player to a 4+ year contract.
 
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I think the Habs will re-sign Evans, but if a first is offered, they'll have a tough dilemma. On the one hand, he's a great homegrown player who exceeded expectations for a 7th rounder. He's well liked and is great in the role he is in, centering one of the team's best line with Armia and Heineman.

The tough choice will not only be about where that first-rounder is or what they do with it (hypothetically speaking), but balance.

Habs can't keep all 3 of Evans, Beck and Kapanen. They are projected to have similar roles, and they are all righties. You can't have Suzuki, Dach, Evans, Beck and Kapanen as your centers, not to mention Hage. You need a leftie somewhere in there for balance.

That means that you probably keep one of Beck or Kapanen, and the choice would probably be Beck. Provided you keep Evans, then you'd need to consider choosing between Dach and Hage, if he pans out. Again, you don't absolutely have to, amd some of these guys can slide to wing, but that's still a team with a heavy tilt of right-handed forwards.

In the big picture, the decision to keep Evans or not ia not so simple. Again, my guess is that they keep him. MSL loves him.
 
Guy Larose said:
They can say what they want but they are not ready and on his level yet.
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The question for me is can they reach his level and if so is it in our window.
I answer yes to both of those questions so I don't overpay or over commit to Jake Evans.
 
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Paddy17 said:
I think the Habs will re-sign Evans, but if a first is offered, they'll have a tough dilemma. On the one hand, he's a great homegrown player who exceeded expectations for a 7th rounder. He's well liked and is great in the role he is in, centering one of the team's best line with Armia and Heineman.

The tough choice will not only be about where that first-rounder is or what they do with it (hypothetically speaking), but balance.

Habs can't keep all 3 of Evans, Beck and Kapanen. They are projected to have similar roles, and they are all righties. You can't have Suzuki, Dach, Evans, Beck and Kapanen as your centers, not to mention Hage. You need a leftie somewhere in there for balance.

That means that you probably keep one of Beck or Kapanen, and the choice would probably be Beck. Provided you keep Evans, then you'd need to consider choosing between Dach and Hage, if he pans out. Again, you don't absolutely have to, amd some of these guys can slide to wing, but that's still a team with a heavy tilt of right-handed forwards.

In the big picture, the decision to keep Evans or not ia not so simple. Again, my guess is that they keep him. MSL loves him.
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A first will be offered if he keeps playing like that at the deadline. Team buying at the deadline don't care about what the player did in the past and will do in the future they care aboue what he is doing now. If Evans plays like that at the TDL he'll return a 1st.
 
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