Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

[vokiel]

What's HFTV?

Last time Jake said: "Not a cricket"

 

[salbutera]

What's HFTV?

Last time Jake said: "Not a cricket"

 

[vokiel]

That's his opinion, not a leak.

 

[The Last Red]

Under $4 million a year for 3-5 years is fine. Anything more, not so much.

 

[Andrei79]

That's his opinion, not a leak.

Isn't he usually pretty good at Habs related contracts ?

 

[vokiel]

Isn't he usually pretty good at Habs related contracts ?

Depends, he's clearly fishing here as it is his usual verbiage when the agent and player haven't been approached and are somewhat irritated by it. Some times it works and then Renaud gets the scoop. Right now I'd say he has no clue and neither does the Evans camp, my opinion too.

It's kinda Dredger-like to say that the issue is time and money.. How could it be anything else?

 

[morhilane]

Isn't he usually pretty good at Habs related contracts ?

Kinda, but not for how he's presenting it there. I'm also pretty sure he said a few days ago the two camps haven't talked yet.

 

[Rapala]

Isn't he usually pretty good at Habs related contracts ?

So far not so bad.
As long as we have an relatively easy out if we want it there is no need to complain.
Maybe he'll convince Jake to take less so we can sign his partner in crime Joel Armia.

 

[Andrei79]

Depends, he's clearly fishing here as it is his usual verbiage when the agent and player haven't been approached and are somewhat irritated by it. Some times it works and then Renaud gets the scoop. Right now I'd say he has no clue and neither does the Evans camp, my opinion too.

It's kinda Dredger-like to say that the issue is time and money.. How could it be anything else?

I'm not sure he's fishing as he's basically saying the Canadiens will sign Evans, not if. Sounds like he has a source. Usually, he won't be so categorical unless he has inside info.

 

[vokiel]

I'm not sure he's fishing as he's basically saying the Canadiens will sign Evans, not if. Sounds like he has a source. Usually, he won't be so categorical unless he has inside info.

It's the sentence he constructed. Call it poker instinct if you will, but when he puts it like this it means it's his opinion more than anything else. It might still be on point sure, but I'd wait for further details. Which, is why I'm saying he's fishing.

 

[Rapala]

That's his opinion, not a leak.

Maybe it's a feint designed to get interested parties to part with their goodies sooner than later.
Kent needs that 1st rounder to complete his masterstroke.

Renaud however seems to have someone whispering in his ear when the team wants us to know something.
If we know it the entire hockey world ends up knowing it.

 

[vokiel]

Maybe it's a feint designed to get interested parties to part with their goodies sooner than later.
Kent needs that 1st rounder to complete his masterstroke.

Renaud however seems to have someone whispering in his ear when the team wants us to know something.
If we know it the entire hockey world ends up knowing it.

It definitely is, but the other way around. A "patented" Lavoie move with the agents he get scoops from so often. If it works, it annoys management and the talks get underway. If you remember, Gainey had this rule stating no negotiations with players during the season. I believe it was designed to avoid this kind of interference.

 

[Rapala]

I'm not sure what McGuire has been smoking but he was saying he thinks Evans can get done at 2.75m-3.5m for 4 yrs.
This would already be done and dusted from a Habs point of view?

 

[morhilane]

I'm not sure what McGuire has been smoking but he was saying he thinks Evans can get done at 2.75m-3.5m for 4 yrs.
This would already be done and dusted from a Habs point of view?

HuGo are probably waiting to see if the team has the chance to really make the playoffs before doing any extension. If the Habs slow down before the deadline, they will trade Jake and only make an offer on July 1st like they did with Monahan.

If the Habs are in a playoff spot or have a good chance to be there by season end, I expect Evans to be extended not that long after March 7th (the deadline).

 

[LaP]

That's his opinion, not a leak.

Even if it was a leak it would be wise for KH to leak a contract negociation and unwise for Evans' agent to deny it. Even if KH doesn't plan to sign him it would be better for other teams to think signing him is an option.

 

[vokiel]

Even if it was a leak it would be wise for KH to leak a contract negociation and unwise for Evans' agent to deny it. Even if KH doesn't plan to sign him it would be better for other teams to think signing him is an option.

I'm fairly certain GMs can assume signing him is an option regardless of rumors. We have the space and we have 2 veteran centers coming off the books. What other GMs should be avoiding is typing their hands as to how much they'd be ready to sign him for. That's if they want to buy low and not poach.

I'm not sure what McGuire has been smoking but he was saying he thinks Evans can get done at 2.75m-3.5m for 4 yrs.
This would already be done and dusted from a Habs point of view?

I think McGuire's crystal ball has always been made out of rubber.

 

[Goalfield13]

HuGo are probably waiting to see if the team has the chance to really make the playoffs before doing any extension. If the Habs slow down before the deadline, they will trade Jake and only make an offer on July 1st like they did with Monahan.

If the Habs are in a playoff spot or have a good chance to be there by season end, I expect Evans to be extended not that long after March 7th (the deadline).

While this is a good take, I think this line of thinking is a bit short-sighted. We have a lot of young Cs coming into the fold, and Evans is perfect to shoulder responsibilities until they are ready. Evans isn't going to cost a boatload, and we have cap coming off the books to give the man his much deserved raise. We just need to make sure there isn't an NTC/NMC attached to the contract.

 

[Rapala]

While this is a good take, I think this line of thinking is a bit short-sighted. We have a lot of young Cs coming into the fold, and Evans is perfect to shoulder responsibilities until they are ready. Evans isn't going to cost a boatload, and we have cap coming off the books to give the man his much deserved raise. We just need to make sure there isn't an NTC/NMC attached to the contract.

This is where treating your veterans properly comes into play and can pay dividends e.g. Petry and Allen.
The agent/player may not be as insistent on a clause if they know you won't do them dirty.

 

[Goalfield13]

This is where treating your veterans properly comes into play and can pay dividends e.g. Petry and Allen.
The agent/player may not be as insistent on a clause if they know you won't do them dirty.

I'd rather give Evans a bit more term and money than give him an NTC/NMC. Teams get hamstringed too much, and bottom 6 players shouldn't be demanding these kinds of things. It's getting silly.

 

[Trabdy2]

It is a bit of an awkward spot we find ourselves in with trying to sign Evans at his age in our rebuild, but I think it's something we need to do if the contract is reasonable.

Losing Dvorak and Evans means we'd have Suzuki, Newhook(?), Dach(?), Kapanen(?), and Beck(?) as our centers for next year. These players all have some question marks at center, except Suzuki. Dach still has a very raw defensive game, he's poor in the dot, and he might actually be better as a winger long term (unless he can improve his defensive game by quite a margin). Newhook seems better as a winger, and he is pretty mediocre defensively. Kapanen and Beck have very little NHL experience so far, and I think they have versatility in how they can potentially work well on the wing. Hage will be too raw still.

There are just too many question marks. We know how terrible it is to have no depth at center, and I don't wanna play that game anymore.

I feel confident there's mutual interest in getting a team friendly deal done for 3 or 4 years. Now is probably a good time to negotiate the contract. There's a good energy on the team and some real momentum with where it's going. Evans is probably feeling that and he would probably feel good about taking a team friendly deal to keep the story rolling with the team that took him as a 7th rounder so many years ago.

 

[Ezpz]

It is a bit of an awkward spot we find ourselves in with trying to sign Evans at his age in our rebuild, but I think it's something we need to do if the contract is reasonable.

Losing Dvorak and Evans means we'd have Suzuki, Newhook(?), Dach(?), Kapanen(?), and Beck(?) as our centers for next year. These players all have some question marks at center, except Suzuki. Dach still has a very raw defensive game, he's poor in the dot, and he might actually be better as a winger long term (unless he can improve his defensive game by quite a margin). Newhook seems better as a winger, and he is pretty mediocre defensively. Kapanen and Beck have very little NHL experience so far, and I think they have versatility in how they can potentially work well on the wing. Hage will be too raw still.

There are just too many question marks. We know how terrible it is to have no depth at center, and I don't wanna play that game anymore.

I feel confident there's mutual interest in getting a team friendly deal done for 3 or 4 years. Now is probably a good time to negotiate the contract. There's a good energy on the team and some real momentum with where it's going. Evans is probably feeling that and he would probably feel good about taking a team friendly deal to keep the story rolling with the team that took him as a 7th rounder so many years ago.

Cup winners typically are full of 25-30 year olds with only a few u23 guys. There's no point to be blasting guys into the sun still in their prime for magic beans at this stage.

 

[Egresch]

I'd rather give Evans a bit more term and money than give him an NTC/NMC. Teams get hamstringed too much, and bottom 6 players shouldn't be demanding these kinds of things. It's getting silly.

Agree, I would not mind 5 year deal if there is no trade protection. He will turn 29 in the summer and even if he drops later, we could be able to trade him.