OT: Career advice Part II

[will1066]

I got my job after an initial email screen by the PR rep, answering a few bulleted questions related to my experience in a few areas that were not listed in the job description + why I was leaving the previous employer (a competitor, and because of layoff), and then one interview with the hiring manager.

But I know that I'm not a one-of-one Connor McDavid because they asked of my previous salary, which I told them, and are paying me less, which I accepted. I would like to think of myself to be a Connor McDavid, though.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I got my job after an initial email screen by the PR rep, answering a few bulleted questions related to my experience in a few areas that were not listed in the job description + why I was leaving the previous employer (a competitor, and because of layoff), and then one interview with the hiring manager.

But I know that I'm not a one-of-one Connor McDavid because they asked of my previous salary, which I told them, and are paying me less, which I accepted. I would like to think of myself to be a Connor McDavid, though.

Maybe they thought of you as a Conor Beddard?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You know what, I don't want to share this for anonymity, lol. I deleted the old post.

 

[will1066]

Maybe they thought of you as a Conor Beddard?

I got world class skills on entry level pay

 

[Gardner McKay]

It isn't. It is a political tool used by every administration for the last 25 years as a way to tout mediocre and poor economies as booming.

The real unemployment rate is closer to 15-20% and has been since 2008. How you might ask? The way the BLS calculates their statistics and what is presented to the public, often doesn't take into account underemployment.

If you were a Director of Finance but now work at McDonalds, you are considered employed by U-3 metrics. But you aren't. You're grossly underemployed. But discussing underemployment is taboo because it forces us to confront realities that every administration (yes, all of them), refuses to tackle.

@NCRanger Oddly enough, I came across this article while waiting at Publix. Exactly what I was talking about.

I was wrong though. The number is nearly 25%.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nearly-25-americans-now-functionally-170000849.html

 

[NickyFotiu]

@NCRanger Oddly enough, I came across this article while waiting at Publix. Exactly what I was talking about.

I was wrong though. The number is nearly 25%.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nearly-25-americans-now-functionally-170000849.html

I do not agree with the 25% nor the 4% in my own view on things. I look at unemployment as anyone willing to work fulltime that can not find a reasonable fulltime job. My guesstimate would be in the 10%-15% range give or take. Maybe a bit higher but not 25%. There are some people that are not willing to work full time or at all. I do not view them as unemployed. My neighbors son is in his mid 20's and has had several jobs in the last 7 years but they usually do not last over a month. He refuses to take a job under a top end salary despite having little education. I do not view him as unemployed. He lives at home. He is a Furry.

 

[sbjnyc]

At that point they are just a potential employee not an employee. If they want to become an employee then they will have to go through with that employers process. They are free to disagree but then they will not become an employee.

Like many things in life it comes down to supply and demand. Is it a buyers market or a sellers market? If you are Connor McDavid you are one of one so they need you much more than you need them but Connor McDavid is a unicorn and not the typical job seeker. The typical job seeker has his/her life changed a bit if they get a job when they need to pay their bills. The typical employer just looks at the next resume if a job seeker says they are not interested. That is not always the case. A lot depends on the field and the timing to determine how strong the demand for a prospective employee will be.

A lot of good businesses in history were started when people got tired of working for other people.

I don't disagree. at all. High self worth doesn't mean much if you have joe schmoe talent/skills. Some professions employees have the pick of the litter but some professions are so scarce (relatively) that maybe you can bypass the bureaucracy.

 

[sbjnyc]

LOL, now I feel like Loki.

I think with some exceptions, you need a job more than they need someone due to supply and demand. They can get 200+ applications in a week and they get their pick of the litter. If you're applying in a lot of cases you might get 1 or 2 interviews max and maybe not even any interviews. There are more candidates than employers so while yes they do need someone, they need SOMEONE not necessarily you. And technically you need someone not necessarily any one employer but trust me as someone with a decent but not elite resume during slow hiring periods I sometimes go months before I get an interview invite. Meanwhile companies can interview anyone they want and in a city like NYC get top talent. In my world there many roles that people ask for for investment banking analysts and there are plenty in NYC and many of them got burned out in IB. Lots of competition.

Also, a company won't struggle financially because they didn't hire one analyst fast enough, but regular people have their savings dwindle.

It's weird I think it would b the other way around. What's the point of going through 5 rounds of interviews to hire a staff accountant? On the other hand, hiring a senior leader like a CFO or head of HR probably requires a lot more time to get to know the candidates.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's weird I think it would b the other way around. What's the point of going through 5 rounds of interviews to hire a staff accountant? On the other hand, hiring a senior leader like a CFO or head of HR probably requires a lot more time to get to know the candidates.

You don't glo through 5 rounds of interviews to hire a staff accountant. My friend always marvels at how many interviews I have. She's an accountant and just gets recruiters giving her one and done interviews and then she gets hired. My role is more strategic so even at the analyst level it's usually at least 3 interviews plus a screen and possibly a case.

 

[will1066]

You don't glo through 5 rounds of interviews to hire a staff accountant. My friend always marvels at how many interviews she gets. She's an accountant and just gets recruiters giving her one and done interviews and then she gets hired. My role is more strategic so even at the analyst level it's usually at least 3 interviews plus a screen and possibly a case.

Is your friend a job-hopper or a freelancer with multiple clients, because if she only needs one interview to get a job, and she gets a lot of interviews, then she gets a lot of jobs.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Posted in error.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Is your friend a job-hopper or a freelancer with multiple clients, because if she only needs one interview to get a job, and she gets a lot of interviews, then she gets a lot of jobs.

She's a freelancer now but I wouldn't call her job hopper before. Somehow she'd get full time offers off one interview. It blows my mind. But I guess accounting is a menial job.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So I have final round coming with a company that might just be my favorite company I ever interviewed with. I won't give the name but it's not huge (like FAANG) but a lot of us folks use it and it's fairly well known. I'm super nervous and excited. I legit don't think I ever interviewed for a company I was more interested in. Back in October I interviewed with a well known insurance company and I always found insurance interesting. But this is several notches above that. Hopefully by the end of the week I have a job that I'm really excited about. Have you guys had similar opportunities?

 

[will1066]

So I have final round coming with a company that might just be my favorite company I ever interviewed with. I won't give the name but it's not huge (like FAANG) but a lot of us folks use it and it's fairly well known. I'm super nervous and excited. I legit don't think I ever interviewed for a company I was more interested in. Back in October I interviewed with a well known insurance company and I always found insurance interesting. But this is several notches above that. Hopefully by the end of the week I have a job that I'm really excited about. Have you guys had similar opportunities?

That's great to hear. Good luck! A couple of times I was recruited out of nowhere as a talented, up-and-comer, so those times I was excited. But that was then, this is now, and I'm mid-career. I'm two weeks into this new job and the sheen is starting to wear off. I might just be jaded at this stage of my career, encountering the same sort of organizational and alignment problems I've encountered elsewhere.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

That's great to hear. Good luck! A couple of times I was recruited out of nowhere as a talented, up-and-comer, so those times I was excited. But that was then, this is now, and I'm mid-career. I'm two weeks into this new job and the sheen is starting to wear off. I might just be jaded at this stage of my career, encountering the same sort of organizational and alignment problems I've encountered elsewhere.

Thanks! Yeah I'm sure two weeks in if I get the job I'll remember it's a job and not be all that excited anymore, lol.

 

[will1066]

Thanks! Yeah I'm sure two weeks in if I get the job I'll remember it's a job and not be all that excited anymore, lol.

That's the spirit!

 

[sbjnyc]

So I have final round coming with a company that might just be my favorite company I ever interviewed with. I won't give the name but it's not huge (like FAANG) but a lot of us folks use it and it's fairly well known. I'm super nervous and excited. I legit don't think I ever interviewed for a company I was more interested in. Back in October I interviewed with a well known insurance company and I always found insurance interesting. But this is several notches above that. Hopefully by the end of the week I have a job that I'm really excited about. Have you guys had similar opportunities?

Good luck! I used to work as a programmer at a record company. A fun company to work at but I didn't like working as a programmer (had no other skills a record company was interested in). Since then I've worked at insurance companies. It can be interesting, depending on the type of insurance. Not fun, though.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Good luck! I used to work as a programmer at a record company. A fun company to work at but I didn't like working as a programmer (had no other skills a record company was interested in). Since then I've worked at insurance companies. It can be interesting, depending on the type of insurance. Not fun, though.

I worked in financial services (lending) and found them to be very interesting. I feel like insurance is similar.

 

[LokiDog]

Is your friend a job-hopper or a freelancer with multiple clients, because if she only needs one interview to get a job, and she gets a lot of interviews, then she gets a lot of jobs.

It often takes my male friends many applications, phone screens and interviews before they get what they want as well. Many of my female friends don’t even have to interview; they get “the offer” over phone or text as soon as they apply. Unless they look like my male friends.

IYKYK

 

[will1066]

So one thing I do at any office I work in is find a secluded bathroom. I ain't doing my business on a toilet that's trafficked as much as one at a gas station. Luckily I found one today. Required going up a few floors in the building.

Another thing about office life: the hangers -- people who stop by and won't leave. I got this woman talking to one of my cube neighbors for like 40 minutes and counting. At this point, get a f***ing meeting room and do a proper meeting. Don't hold meetings at the cube, jeezys.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It often takes my male friends many applications, phone screens and interviews before they get what they want as well. Many of my female friends don’t even have to interview; they get “the offer” over phone or text as soon as they apply. Unless they look like my male friends.

IYKYK

i've never met a female inump (involuntarily unemployed)

 

[NickyFotiu]

i've never met a female inump (involuntarily unemployed)

Im shocked to hear that. My last gf had been fired 3 times in a year.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Im shocked to hear that. My last gf had been fired 3 times in a year.

lol so had my friend but she gets a new job like a week later , that’s more of what I mean

Fired 3 times means hired 3 times !

 

[NickyFotiu]

lol so had my friend but she gets a new job like a week later , that’s more of what I mean

Fired 3 times means hired 3 times !

True but the jobs my ex got fired from were like entry level service jobs not real careers.

 

[will1066]

lol so had my friend but she gets a new job like a week later , that’s more of what I mean

Fired 3 times means hired 3 times !

This goes for NHL coaches too