OT: Career advice Part II

[will1066]

i mean it's one thing to constantly bitch and moan about the organizational suckiness of the rangers. whatever - i get it. but all this bitching and moaning-cries of victimhood and unfairness. holy shit man!!

The anger in this thread is non-hockey/Rangers anger and doesn't qualify for Boardies consideration at the end of the season.

 

[NCRanger]

@SnowblindNYR,

You took a contract role through a recruiter that:
1. Didn't provide you with the hourly rate.
2. Did not give you the on site or remote expectations.
3. And you just accepted it without questions?

Did you not have to actually sign the contract where this is all spelled out?

As a contractor, you are not legally allowed to work more than 40 hours a week, unless authorized by both the end client and the company you're working for. Now, you CAN work extra for no compensation, but if it becomes a need or a requirement, then that's a problem.

I'm getting the impression that this recruiter isn't one that's all that well known or even one that does a lot of business with large companies. I'm also getting the impression that the place you were assigned isn't all that professional. Having someone walk off the street and want them to present a project to directors without any KT or company orientation isn't even believable. Even the top management consultant from an Accenture couldn't do that, nor be expected to do that.

You also said that this place was in a bad area of the city.

There IS a distinct possibility that you may have dodged a GIANT bullet and I'm not mincing words.

I'd even wager you may not even get paid.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

See, this is where I say you’re in pure denial. Nowhere did I say I liked it, sided with it, or intended to continue along as if it was fine with me. I said that I understand how I will be perceived if I make lessening my time in office one of my earliest priorities and that I am thus satisfied with paying my dues for a short time in order to ensure my job security is firm before broaching the topic. Lessening my hours on site actually IS one of my priorities and keys to this job being a fit long term. I just understand the difference between pestering everyone in my office, the way my 8 year old pesters me about going ice skating, and having the maturity and professional intelligence to understand I’m better positioned by proving myself first and discussing schedule later.

Your reaction essentially shows exactly why you were let go, and frankly? I probably agree with the employer. You’re not presenting yourself as someone to be taken seriously as an adult professional in this thread. You’re presenting as a shortsighted and immature person in the workplace and I would predict you werr 5-10 years younger than you are based on your responses and reasoning on this topic. You f***ed up. Period. You’re looking for strangers to validate your hurt feelings and coddle and back pat you when the reality is you demonstrated short sighted, entitled, unprofessional behavior (both in your interactions with the recruiter and your behavior during your first week) and you want people to take your side and vindicate you instead of owning your failings. Good luck.

There's no denial. I'm not looking for anything. I'm stating why I think it's bullshit. You're not some tough badass because you don't question your overlords. I've had enough jobs in my life and two of them started post-Covid where I know that not everyone reacts the way this asshole did since I asked about the policy in both places early on in my employment and was given a direct answer without hurt feelings. Oh and I've applied to close to 1,000 jobs since August 90% of them are hybrid/remote. Anyway, I'm done with this, I will continue to have my opinions on the matter. I will act more carefully at my next job but will continue thinking that this dude was an asshole. You can continue bootlooking if you like and thinking you're some mature badass. I'm done with this conversation.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

@SnowblindNYR,

You took a contract role through a recruiter that:
1. Didn't provide you with the hourly rate.
2. Did not give you the on site or remote expectations.
3. And you just accepted it without questions?

Did you not have to actually sign the contract where this is all spelled out?

As a contractor, you are not legally allowed to work more than 40 hours a week, unless authorized by both the end client and the company you're working for. Now, you CAN work extra for no compensation, but if it becomes a need or a requirement, then that's a problem.

I'm getting the impression that this recruiter isn't one that's all that well known or even one that does a lot of business with large companies. I'm also getting the impression that the place you were assigned isn't all that professional. Having someone walk off the street and want them to present a project to directors without any KT or company orientation isn't even believable. Even the top management consultant from an Accenture couldn't do that, nor be expected to do that.

You also said that this place was in a bad area of the city.

There IS a distinct possibility that you may have dodged a GIANT bullet and I'm not mincing words.

I'd even wager you may not even get paid.

The hourly rate was spelled out in the contract. Let me clarify that. When I got the verbal offer (pre-contract) I was not told how much it would be. This is vague but I remember seeing $48 somewhere in writing when I asked for $50 per hour. When I got the offer I didn't ask if it was $48 or $50. It turned out to be $50 so no harm no foul. The on site/remote expectations I asked after the offer and he said 3 days a week in the office but he wasn't sure because he has a lot of clients. In the email I shared what he wrote, it was somewhat vague, it did say "in the office" but the way that dude writes you'd think there's a ticking bomb in the building, he never met a fragment he didn't like. This is what it looked like, I shared this already so I can't get blamed for hiding it to look better:

Ask for XXX at Working in the office Mon-Thurs 9-5 Fri 9-1

I can honestly see someone being like "wait a minute that's pretty clear". Sure, and maybe I'm using how poorly written it is as a crutch and it was wishful thinking on my part. But I've seen situations where a job posting had "on-site" but HR told me it was hybrid. It happened a couple of times. Plus people were WFH on Thursday and Friday.

But in general the way these two recruiters acted was off-putting. Between the poor written communication. Here's the message:

Hi,

Just reviewed your profile...

Are you currently in the Job Market?


Thanks,

XXX

Normally you at least get some background on the job or the title of the job. The subject was:

Job Oppty​

Then I was asked before any offer if I'd accept the offer if I got it. Then when I got the offer the guy was very irritated when I was asking to clarify things. The other recruiter could be heard having a heart attack because she was worried I wasn't going to accept (maybe because the CFO was a person connection of hers).

Bottom line these recruiters sucked (and yes they worked for some hole in the wall firm) and one thing I agree with Loki is that I needed to sack the f*** up and get the information regardless. That's on me 100%. I was immature.

As far as presenting things off the street, I wasn't going to present anything. But I was assigned something that in my understanding the CFO was going to use in his presentation. But yeah, there was ZERO onboarding just "get to work". I did get a few meetings giving me background to what was wanted. But still it was "we have this important thing, do it now, good luck".

It is in a bad part of the city. I mean an area where you're getting shot every day, just not much around there and it's relatively poor. Which is like whatever, not that big of a deal but it's not something I prefer.

I got paid a portion already and will check in a week or 2 to see if I'll get paid the rest.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

and here's more of reality-the boss does not give two shits whether you agree with him/her. also if that boss is in the office as well as other workers that have to be there all 5 days then yeah asking about WFM during the first week on the job is not a good idea. you will stand out. all you had to do was work all 5 days and observe whether or not anybody is not working the whole 5 days in the office to get your answer. and while you were at it why not ask when you can expect the first bonus check?

Yes, I've mentioned people were working from home Thursday and Friday. The office was a ghost town on Friday. Now it might have been different because it was before the long weekend in hindsight. But that's what I've been saying. Also, I think observing and acting is worse than asking. Because if I observed and acted I would have WFH on Friday after seeing that people were WFH on Thursday and they'd probably not like that.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

i mean it's one thing to constantly bitch and moan about the organizational suckiness of the rangers. whatever - i get it. but all this bitching and moaning-cries of victimhood and unfairness. holy shit man!!

I'm over it, I don't care anymore. You're misreading. Some people in this thread just like to get their jollies in trashing other people and I'm defending myself. I don't give a f*** about this non-profit anymore. In fact it would probably have just hindered my other much better opportunities. The posts are a response to people take unnecessary shots at me and feeling superior.

 

[LokiDog]

I'm over it, I don't care anymore. You're misreading. Some people in this thread just like to get their jollies in trashing other people and I'm defending myself. I don't give a f*** about this non-profit anymore. In fact it would probably have just hindered my other much better opportunities. The posts are a response to people take unnecessary shots at me and feeling superior.

No one’s getting their jollies “trashing” you and no one thinks they’re a tough bad ass for simply understanding how to conduct themselves in a new work environment. No one is taking shots at you. It’s called “asking strangers for their opinion, but only if it supports my own (aka, coddle and validate me)” and then getting butt hurt when you get some real talk mixed in with the answers.

Unfortunately, you’re only here for the coddling and validating. Again, anything but looking in the mirror, not a snowblind first but will continue to be a downfall until you learn to do so. Using phrases like overlords and bootlicking is really only showing your ass. Wow, you had TWO whole jobs during Covid that were WFH, when the whole world was, and “90% of the over 1000 jobs” you’ve applied to were remote/hybrid. How many of those over 1000 jobs did you get? You’re living in a Millenial fantasy world where you’re going to sit on your laptop on your couch FaceTiming with your wife and you think that you have some extensive work history that justifies your attitude. You are wrong. It’s okay to be wrong. It’s ugly to not be okay with realizing you’re wrong when you’re wrong. You’ll grow out of it.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No one’s getting their jollies “trashing” you and no one thinks they’re a tough bad ass for simply understanding how to conduct themselves in a new work environment. No one is taking shots at you. It’s called “asking strangers for their opinion (aka, coddle and validate me) and getting a some real talk mixed in”. Unfortunately, you’re only hear for the coddling and validating. Again, anything but looking in the mirror, not a snowblind first but will continue to be a downfall until you learn to do so.

I have already stated that I will be more careful and try to read the room more in my next job. All I said was that I'm going to do what's appropriate for my career (be smarter next time) but I will die on the hill of there being nothing wrong with asking. I have long put this dumb short chapter of my career to bed, it was some shitty non-profit that's been around 40 years and is still tiny and going nowhere. The only reason there's a back and forth is because I'm going to die on the hill of being practical in the future not being the same thing as normalizing the idea of firing someone one week into a job with no feedback due to him asking for WFH. That's it at this point we're going in circles, I said I will act differently in my next job, there's literally no reason to drag this out until I admit that I was some entitled piece of shit. Because that I will not do, but I will "look in the mirror" enough to change my approach next time, especially if I God forbid do another contract gig. Anyway, I'm done with this no one needs to read a non-stop back and forth on this tired subject about a one week stint at an org that I have moved on from. I'd rather discuss literally anything else up to and including why Mika f***ing sucks and if Kreider's back held him back or if he's just cooked. f***, I'd rather at this point call Igor the greatest goalie in hockey history.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

let me make something nice and sparkling clear: i don't get my rocks off from feeling superior over others. i have way better things to do than what you said. i won't by any means apologetically take back anything i posted. if anything what i posted, along with the other poster, was perhaps things you more than likely needed to hear, which may have been long overdue.


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