Jake Allen is Leading the League in GAA...

[HugeInTheShire]

It's nice that all the Coyotes players stuck together and agreed to sign with the totally new franchise in Utah!

Isn't Jake Allen that guy who is, at best, a mediocre backup goaltender who's worth a 5th-round pick (with 50% retention)?

Cute another person that doesn’t understand the players on the ice aren’t the franchise! Jake Allen was traded with 50% retention for a conditional 2nd not a 5th.

Please feel free to do your own research on why Utah is in fact a new franchise, I’m done helping the intellectually challenged

 

[CTHabsfan]

Cute another person that doesn’t understand the players on the ice aren’t the franchise! Jake Allen was traded with 50% retention for a conditional 2nd not a 5th.

Please feel free to do your own research on why Utah is in fact a new franchise, I’m done helping the intellectually challenged

Cute, another person that doesn't understand sarcasm! I'm well aware of what the Canadiens received in return for Jake Allen. I was mocking those who thought, prior to the trade, Jake Allen was a garbage goaltender who had little trade value.

As far as your "players on the ice aren't the franchise" comment goes, it's just a coincidence the Coyotes players (with the exception of those traded), the coach and general manager all came over to the same "new" franchise? Seems like this is an NHL marketing ploy, with the hope being Arizona eventually returns, rather than Arizona having been a failed experiment.

 

[PocketNines]

it is going to be so fun to watch him implode in the playoffs. I will actually enjoy it, I still correctly hold a Stevens grudge and I have less faith in Allen in the playoffs than just about any thing. His whole thing is choking under pressure. He was born to be that goalie looking forlorn while the building around him goes crazy because their team just epically came back to beat him while he melted down. He was born to lose 5-4 after being up 4-1 in the third and three of the goals are tapped in from the two inch line while he slid over to the end boards

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Cute, another person that doesn't understand sarcasm! I'm well aware of what the Canadiens received in return for Jake Allen. I was mocking those who thought, prior to the trade, Jake Allen was a garbage goaltender who had little trade value.

As far as your "players on the ice aren't the franchise" comment goes, it's just a coincidence the Coyotes players (with the exception of those traded), the coach and general manager all came over to the same "new" franchise? Seems like this is an NHL marketing ploy, with the hope being Arizona eventually returns, rather than Arizona having been a failed experiment.

It’s no coincidence, they bought the players and staff, but not the history.

Let me make this easier for you to understand.
Let’s say Montreal was forced to move to Hartford but Montreal’s owner kept the right to the name, likeness and history with the option of restarting the Montreal Canadiens.

4 years later the owner has his shit together and fixes the issues and is ready to restart the franchise.

Which franchise is the Montreal Canadiens? The one with the banners in the rafters, playing in Montreal and wearing Canadien jerseys, or the one with their players and coaches from 4 years ago?

 

[CTHabsfan]

It’s no coincidence, they bought the players and staff, but not the history.

Let me make this easier for you to understand.
Let’s say Montreal was forced to move to Hartford but Montreal’s owner kept the right to the name, likeness and history with the option of restarting the Montreal Canadiens.

4 years later the owner has his shit together and fixes the issues and is ready to restart the franchise.

Which franchise is the Montreal Canadiens? The one with the banners in the rafters, playing in Montreal and wearing Canadien jerseys, or the one with their players and coaches from 4 years ago?

The NHL owns team names and logos. The team in Montreal might be called the Canadiens, but the team in Hartford would be the franchise.

Let me make this easier for you to understand:

The NHL had 30 teams prior to the 2017-18 season when a new franchise, the Vegas Golden Knights, was added. An expansion draft was held to fill the Golden Knights' roster.

The NHL had 31 teams prior to the 2021-22 season when a new franchise, the Seattle Kraken, was added. An expansion draft was held to fill the Kraken roster.

The NHL had 32 teams prior to the 2024-25 season. There are still 32 NHL teams. There was no need to hold an expansion draft, players from the Arizona Coyotes transferred to the Utah Hockey Club. This makes them a relocated franchise, not a new franchise. Do we say that Clayton Keller has played for three teams if Utah comes up with a new name for next season?

 

[HugeInTheShire]

The NHL owns team names and logos. The team in Montreal might be called the Canadiens, but the team in Hartford would be the franchise.

Let me make this easier for you to understand:

The NHL had 30 teams prior to the 2017-18 season when a new franchise, the Vegas Golden Knights, was added. An expansion draft was held to fill the Golden Knights' roster.

The NHL had 31 teams prior to the 2021-22 season when a new franchise, the Seattle Kraken, was added. An expansion draft was held to fill the Kraken roster.

The NHL had 32 teams prior to the 2024-25 season. There are still 32 NHL teams. There was no need to hold an expansion draft, players from the Arizona Coyotes transferred to the Utah Hockey Club. This makes them a relocated franchise, not a new franchise. Do we say that Clayton Keller has played for three teams if Utah comes up with a new name for next season?

You’re right only the league they play in and everyone that understands basic logic call them a new franchise.

But not smart people like you that know, history doesn’t matter it’s all about the players and where they are.

At least we know that you’d be cheering for Hartford and not Montreal anymore, and you definitely would consider their first Cup win after reactivating the team their very first and not the Montreal Canadiens 25th. It’d totally be 24 for the Montreal Canadiens and 1 for the Montreal Canadiens, and if Hartford won that’d be their 25th.

 

[CTHabsfan]

You’re right only the league they play in and everyone that understands basic logic call them a new franchise.

But not smart people like you that know, history doesn’t matter it’s all about the players and where they are.

At least we know that you’d be cheering for Hartford and not Montreal anymore, and you definitely would consider their first Cup win after reactivating the team their very first and not the Montreal Canadiens 25th. It’d totally be 24 for the Montreal Canadiens and 1 for the Montreal Canadiens, and if Hartford won that’d be their 25th.

Other than the fact that the NHL had no plans to return to Winnipeg and would love to return to Arizona, please explain how the Winnipeg Jets moving to Arizona differs from the Arizona Coyotes moving to Utah? Franchise records for the Arizona Coyotes include stats from the Winnipeg Jets, which seems to defy your "basic logic".

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Other than the fact that the NHL had no plans to return to Winnipeg and would love to return to Arizona, please explain how the Winnipeg Jets moving to Arizona differs from the Arizona Coyotes moving to Utah? Franchise records for the Arizona Coyotes include stats from the Winnipeg Jets, which seems to defy your "basic logic".

That’s exactly what is different, Coyote stats include the Jets because they bought the history and everything Jet related. The Coyote stats aren’t included in Utah because the Coyote owner wouldn’t sell the history of the franchise, the name or the likeness. If by some miracle the NHL decided to reactive not relocate the franchise in Arizona, that team would retain the Coyote history, stats, logo and Coyote name. Not Utah

 

[redwings86]

2 games.... gimme a break, man.

So far, Allen is the best and we already knew that, but Markström plays more games in the same team we also knew.

Markström are important cog for Devils.

 

[biturbo19]

All goofy wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too early projections aside here...in this case, it's not unusual for Jake Allen to have little spurts of extremely high level play throughout his career. His problem has always been more, a lack of ability to sustain that. Particularly on the mental focus side of things, and especially when asked to shoulder a heavier workload over an extended period.

He's always had all the physical tools and ability to play at an extremely high level. Just the bit between the ears doesn't necessarily hold up too well to a true "starters workload".

 

[redwings86]

Best backup goalie in the league.

Of course this one best backup goalkeeper.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

except they did make them and and they were awful.

New Jersey Devils 2022-23 Reverse Retro

i kinda like em. that adidas logo is a blight as always though

 

[GrumpyKoala]

That’s exactly what is different, Coyote stats include the Jets because they bought the history and everything Jet related. The Coyote stats aren’t included in Utah because the Coyote owner wouldn’t sell the history of the franchise, the name or the likeness. If by some miracle the NHL decided to reactive not relocate the franchise in Arizona, that team would retain the Coyote history, stats, logo and Coyote name. Not Utah

Like it or not that the definition of a relocalisation.
You take something that already exists and move it somewhere new.

Now as stats following the team or not it doesn't matter, as for there no historical coherence in that regards.

Utah is a new team that is born from a relocalisation of an old one, but it is not an expansion one.

 

[Nevins]

Really happy for him. He is such a great team player

 

[Romang67]

Well, we'll almost remember this thread as a testament to Jake Allen's early season dominance in 2024.

 

[Bounces R Way]

 

[jetsforever]

Give him the Vezina right now (don't check tonight's scores)