JAD and Vilardi sign 1 year deals

[Axl Rhoadz]

''I wouldn't trade Jack Johnson for Sidney Crosby''

-Kurrilino (Circa sometime around 2008)

Hey now, JJ just won a Stanley Cup, would did Crosby do last year?? ;-)

 

[Kurrilino]

Did you sleep through the 2nd round?

The Oilers beat the Flames, a team many had pegged as the only team that could challenge Colorado.

And the Kings were humiliated? The Kings carried the play 5 on 5 for much of that series.

You are making no sense in some of these posts Kurri.

Yeah, until people figured out that both teams come from a AHL division and both had a comedy show of defense and goalie clowns.
This nonsense stopped when they played Colorado.

Sadly with the Flames decline, the Kings will most likely end up 2nd in Pacific and people will read that as
Kings progress and are willing to hurt our development

''I wouldn't trade Jack Johnson for Sidney Crosby''

-Kurrilino (Circa sometime around 2008)

There was some context to that, but we will leave it like that

 

[kilowatt]

I don't think the Pacific is nearly as bad as everyone says. It's basically just a meme at this point. You've got a couple teams that were great for years (Anaheim, San Jose) that finally declined, but now that Edmonton and Calgary are two of the best teams in the division, all the Toronto fans just love to shit on them.

Edmonton is still good, the Kings are significantly improved, Vegas underperformed because of several injuries, Calgary (in spite of the turbulence and personnel turnover) is still good, Vancouver is pretty good (and was one of the hottest teams the last month or two of the season), and I wouldn't count out the Ducks from being a surprising young team this season. I don't have a ton of faith in San Jose or Seattle just yet, but this is a good division.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if four or even five Pacific teams made it. One or two different outcomes throughout the season and Vegas (94 points) and Vancouver (92 points) get in over Dallas (98 points) and Nashville (97 points) last year as it was anyway. Colorado, Minnesota, and St. Louis were very good last year. How good will Minnesota, Dallas, and Nashville be this year? Did any of them improve over the offseason?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think the Pacific is nearly as bad as every says. It's basically just a meme at this point. You've got a couple teams that were great for years (Anaheim, San Jose) that finally declined, but now that Edmonton and Calgary are two of the best teams in the division, all the Toronto fans just love to shit on them.

Edmonton is still good, the Kings are significantly improved, Vegas underperformed because of several injuries, Calgary (in spite of the turbulence and personnel turnover) is still good, Vancouver is pretty good (and was one of the hottest teams the last month or two of the season), and I wouldn't count out the Ducks from being a surprising young team this season. I don't have a ton of faith in San Jose or Seattle just yet, but this is a good division.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if four or even five Pacific teams made it. One or two different outcomes throughout the season and Vegas (94 points) and Vancouver (92 points) get in over Dallas (98 points) and Nashville (97 points) last year as it was anyway. Colorado, Minnesota, and St. Louis were very good last year. How good will Minnesota, Dallas, and Nashville be this year? Did any of them improve over the offseason?

The Pacific was really strange last season. Two competitive teams were slaughtered by injuries (LAK and VGK), one pretender was damn near the healthiest team ever (CGY), one of the hottest teams with a new coach was masked with a poor half (VAN), a few bad eggs were really bad. I think on paper you have to say it's the worst division going into the year, but I agree with you that it would be nice if people acknowledged a few times are primed to step forwards and at least be a pain in the butt (ANA, Seattle could surprise). But having a team in the Bedard sweepstakes at one end and no real Colorado at the other end, while it makes it competitive, does make it look pretty 'meh' to outsiders.

Seattle will only get stronger when it picks up one of these dudes on waivers, too, and you know, like Martin Jones, JAD would be a 50-goal player vs. LA and LA only just because, haha.

 

[Statto]

Did you sleep through the 2nd round?

The Oilers beat the Flames, a team many had pegged as the only team that could challenge Colorado.

And the Kings were humiliated? The Kings carried the play 5 on 5 for much of that series.

You are making no sense in some of these posts Kurri.

It’s getting embarrassing. I thought he was trolling but now think he actually believes what he’s typing.

 

[YP44]

I think it also begs the question, can we package any of these players and prospects to get a better player at a better cap hit? I've said for a while now that we should try to pick up JT Miller, although as a one-year rental I'm less enticed (post-Fiala signing). Another guy that wouldn't be terrible to pick up would be Toffoli. Hell, maybe we could even get Markstrom (with Dustin Wolf on the way).

To Los Angeles: Tyler Toffoli (50% retained), Jacob Markstrom (25% retained)
To Calgary: Alex Iafallo, Cal Petersen, Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Turcotte, Tyler Madden, Helge Grans, 1st 2023

To Los Angeles: Jacob Chychrun (50% retained)
To Arizona: Sean Walker, Sean Durzi, Rasmus Kupari, Akil Thomas, 1st 2024

Kempe - Kopitar - Toffoli (2 years at $2.125 million)
Fiala - Byfield - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Lemiex - Lizotte - Grundstrom
Andersson, JAD

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun (3 years at $2.3 million) - Clarke
Bjornfot - Roy
Moverare

Markstrom (4 years at $4 million)
Quick

This is probably my least realistic proposal to date Maybe remove Markstrom from the equation here.

I would rather go for Wolf and think that Calgary would be more inclined to go for it this year with Markstrom as well.
Iafallo, Madden, 2nd for wolf

 

[Kurrilino]

I don't think the Pacific is nearly as bad as everyone says. It's basically just a meme at this point. You've got a couple teams that were great for years (Anaheim, San Jose) that finally declined, but now that Edmonton and Calgary are two of the best teams in the division, all the Toronto fans just love to shit on them.

Edmonton is still good, the Kings are significantly improved, Vegas underperformed because of several injuries, Calgary (in spite of the turbulence and personnel turnover) is still good, Vancouver is pretty good (and was one of the hottest teams the last month or two of the season), and I wouldn't count out the Ducks from being a surprising young team this season. I don't have a ton of faith in San Jose or Seattle just yet, but this is a good division.

I would say Pacific is really bad
Chicago and Seattle are the worst teams in the west
Vegas didn't age well and it shows that they tried to build a win now team out of the expansion draft.
Vancouvers core reached it's peak and is on the decline
Sharks and Ducks are busy rebuilding and players left
Flames are in a unique position, losing two 40 goal scorers and the playoff exposed their weak defense and goalie. A perfect example of baby seal clubbing withing an extremely weak deivision

That leaves the Oilers as top team without any significant improvement of their roster and the Kings who improved a lot but also have baggage that hold them back

But all that is semantics anyways since i don't see any of those teams beating Colorado.
If not a single team in a division has chance not to be slaughtered by a contender, i would call it a bad division

 

[kilowatt]

I would say Pacific is really bad
Chicago and Seattle are the worst teams in the west
Vegas didn't age well and it shows that they tried to build a win now team out of the expansion draft.
Vancouvers core reached it's peak and is on the decline
Sharks and Ducks are busy rebuilding and players left
Flames are in a unique position, losing two 40 goal scorers and the playoff exposed their weak defense and goalie. A perfect example of baby seal clubbing withing an extremely weak deivision

That leaves the Oilers as top team without any significant improvement of their roster and the Kings who improved a lot but also have baggage that hold them back

But all that is semantics anyways since i don't see any of those teams beating Colorado.
If not a single team in a division has chance not to be slaughtered by a contender, i would call it a bad division

Vegas wasn't healthy. Underestimating them again heading into this season is a fool's errand.

Vancouver's core is super young, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Quinn Hughes is 22, Elias Pettersson is 23, Brock Boeser is 25, Conor Garland and Thatcher Demko are 26, and Bo Horvat is 27. JT Miller doesn't turn 30 until March, and I'd be pumped if he was leading my team into the playoffs. I don't see how their core possibly reached its peak.

Flames defense got exposed by the two best offensive players in the league, like many other teams, and they still lost the final two games by one goal a piece (and a last-minute empty netter). Flames then added Mackenzie Weegar to help address that. Weegar's a legit first-pairing stud.

Ducks, Sharks, and Kraken probably won't be great but you never know what can happen.

As for both the Kings and Oilers, I think both improved in areas needed (a top-line forward for LA, a goaltender for Edmonton), and we'll see if that pays off. But even minor improvements for both teams will result in playoff births again.

But does any division have eight strong teams? Arizona, Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville don't look particularly strong in the Central. Philadelphia, New Jersey, and the Islanders don't look menacing in the Metro. The Atlantic is probably the best division in the league, but we'll see. Guys get hurt, teams fall off, you never know what'll happen. Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston, none of those teams strike fear this year.

 

[Kurrilino]

But does any division have eight strong teams? Arizona, Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville don't look particularly strong in the Central. Philadelphia, New Jersey, and the Islanders don't look menacing in the Metro. The Atlantic is probably the best division in the league, but we'll see. Guys get hurt, teams fall off, you never know what'll happen. Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston, none of those teams strike fear this year.

I don't think you need 8 teams per division to be strong

As example i woul dconsider Atlantic as the strongest, where you have teams like
Florida, Tampa, Toronto and Boston

All 4 are able to put out a strong playoff performance
I would argue that no single team from Pacific would be top 3 in Atlantic.

But this is all Western, our problem is while the Central division is a 1 team division, Colorado is the team to beat if you want the cup.

I am really interested to see for how long Colorado can maintain this status

 

[kingsfan28]

The Pacific was really strange last season. Two competitive teams were slaughtered by injuries (LAK and VGK), one pretender was damn near the healthiest team ever (CGY), one of the hottest teams with a new coach was masked with a poor half (VAN), a few bad eggs were really bad. I think on paper you have to say it's the worst division going into the year, but I agree with you that it would be nice if people acknowledged a few times are primed to step forwards and at least be a pain in the butt (ANA, Seattle could surprise). But having a team in the Bedard sweepstakes at one end and no real Colorado at the other end, while it makes it competitive, does make it look pretty 'meh' to outsiders.

Seattle will only get stronger when it picks up one of these dudes on waivers, too, and you know, like Martin Jones, JAD would be a 50-goal player vs. LA and LA only just because, haha.

I expect Jones to start every game against the Kings. He'll win at least 3.

 

[kingsfan28]

I don't see the benefit here beside crippling our self

No GM in the NHL is trading guys from a 19-23 year group for people in their 30+
I thought it was pretty obvious that our core has no shot at winning the cup.
We have been humiliated by one of the weakest teams that made the playoff.

I know people will now argue we made it to 7 games, but this is just the result of an Oilers clown defense
and a funnel of a goalie.
All of us have seen what happened to the Oilers when they faced a real NHL team

This lineup as proposed will still be utterly destroyed by teams like Colorado which will reign for several years from now on.
I find it weird to give up our future just to face another humiliation again

Not a very good take. You call taking a team with two 100 point scorers a humiliating playoff defeat in 7 games? You really think were losing that series with Doughty and Arvi in the lineup. Lets see...Doughty vs McDavid or Durzi/Spence/ ? / vs McDavid. Which guy has an excellent chance of keeping him in check for the most part?

So when the Oilers faced a real team like Calgary, why was it so easy for them to walk right through them? They could barely get by us in 7 , yet vs Calgary you know the REAL team...

 

[Lt Dan]

I expect Jones to start every game against the Kings. He'll win at least 3.

 

[Kurrilino]

Not a very good take. You call taking a team with two 100 point scorers a humiliating playoff defeat in 7 games? You really think were losing that series with Doughty and Arvi in the lineup. Lets see...Doughty vs McDavid or Durzi/Spence/ ? / vs McDavid. Which guy has an excellent chance of keeping him in check for the most part?

So when the Oilers faced a real team like Calgary, why was it so easy for them to walk right through them? They could barely get by us in 7 , yet vs Calgary you know the REAL team...

There were games where we just stood around 90% of the game in our own zone.
I would call this humilating and i don't think Arvidson or Doughty would have made any difference.


Calgary was a lot of smoke and mirrors being the perfect example of baby seal clubbers in our division.
When the other team punched back, they were not able to play defense and score at the same time.
The Oilers really exposed that the Flames Goalie and defense are not far from Oilers level.
Some of their games looked like Peewee Hockey

 

[HookKing]

There were games where we just stood around 90% of the game in our own zone.
I would call this humilating and i don't think Arvidson or Doughty would have made any difference.


Calgary was a lot of smoke and mirrors being the perfect example of baby seal clubbers in our division.
When the other team punched back, they were not able to play defense and score at the same time.
The Oilers really exposed that the Flames Goalie and defense are not far from Oilers level.
Some of their games looked like Peewee Hockey

Correct.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

There were games where we just stood around 90% of the game in our own zone.
I would call this humilating and i don't think Arvidson or Doughty would have made any difference.

Sup, Sol?

 

[Lt Dan]

baby seal clubbers in our division.