Toggle sidebar

Jacob Slavin top dman?

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Bizz said:
<Insert inane babble here>
Click to expand...

steviewonder.gif



...thanks for the input, Stevie...
 
  • Haha
Reactions: tarheelhockey and notsocommonsense
a mangy Meowth said:
Is your argument that the difference between Slavin and Makar defensively is roughly equivalent to the difference between them offensively?

Which is to say, you really think Slavin brings more than 3 times as good of defense as Makar?

Slavin has 20 points. Makar has 63.
Click to expand...
Hockey is way too complex for someone to say "one point = that much better". I guarantee you that no matter what the stats or advanced stats say all the coaches would rather have Slavin or Heiskanen on their roster in game 7 than Q. Hughes or Karlsson.
 
You can't discount the importance of the offensive guys who are still quite good defensively for the most part. Slavin is very good at defence, one of the best at just that, but his overall game is not the best.
 
Are we talking about the guy whose team has an expected goals % is 9.6% higher when he's OFF the ice?

Oh right, he had a nice 4 games in an all star tournament.

1740209959234.png
 
Strange that the tournament is his coming out party because it's, like, seven years too late?

But no, he is not better than Makar overall. Defensively, probably, but it doesn't matter when Makar does what he does elsewhere.
 
  • Like
Reactions: a mangy Meowth
SnowblindNYR said:
Are we talking about the guy whose team has an expected goals % is 9.6% higher when he's OFF the ice?

Oh right, he had a nice 4 games in an all star tournament.

View attachment 980645
Click to expand...

...again, fancy stats with no thought given to any variables like Quality of Competition, etc. that a DEFENSE FIRST guy faces...Slavin isn't some unknown; he's been a known defensive beast for years, hence why he was on the team...the BLIND in your name rings true, apparently... :biglaugh:
 
  • Like
Reactions: CupfortheSharks, wolfofthesteppes and Summer Rose
5 14 6 1 said:
Best Defensive D in the league, but not more valuable than Makar or Hughes. Scoring goals is the absolute hardest thing to do in the NHL
Click to expand...

It's definitely debatable. Finding a true #1 shut down D is probably harder than a top offensive guy and stopping a goal is technically just as valuable as scoring one.

Obviously in trade value they wouldn't trade Makar or Hughes for Slavin, but which one will help you win a Game 7 more?

I wish they would have a best defensive d-man award, but the players would have to vote on it. Hockey writers aren't qualified to make that call.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: a mangy Meowth, CupfortheSharks and Summer Rose
Slavin is amazing.

No doubt about it and he's opened a lot of eyes with his performance at the Four Nations. A stud defenseman that can shut down anyone.

But that doesn't mean he's the best in the league. I would still take Makar and Hughes over him.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...again, fancy stats with no thought given to any variables like Quality of Competition, etc. that a DEFENSE FIRST guy faces...Slavin isn't some unknown; he's been a known defensive beast for years, hence why he was on the team...the BLIND in your name rings true, apparently... :biglaugh:
Click to expand...

-9.6% is pretty staggering. I couldn't find quality of competition but I controlled for OZone starts.

1740212793114.png


I took Ozone starts as the x variable and Rel xG% as the y variable. The above are the forecast and actual. It's quite the gap. Unless he's defending Lemieux and Gretzky each shift it's not a great number. And yes I know who he is. But this thread is about him being the top D-man, it's not even close.

His most common partner Brent Burns is only -5.30%.
 
when I see threads like this I wounder when NHL will get the next Niklas Lindstrom who was consistently top-5 offensive defenseman and top-5 defensive defenseman throughout his career.
 
Man this is some crazy recency bias. Slavin is great, no doubt, but I can show you highlights of some 3rd pair D or 3rd line center "saving goals" the exact same way every game.
 
Last edited:
So you took a sensible premise - Slavin is good and stay-at-home Dmen can be underappreciated - and turned it into a complete troll-job.

I hope you're proud.
 
koyvoo said:
Elite offense and top end skill is always more rare, and more valuable than elite defence. Always.
Click to expand...
During the regular season, yes, elite offense sells many more tickets. But during playoffs or major tournament time, elite defense usually comes out on top.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom