Jacob Slavin top dman?

[x Tame Impala]

I wasn’t going all the way down that rabbit hole, but I agree. In the past decade we’ve swept away the vestiges of terrible data like +/- and GAA, and replaced them with more terrible data like PDO and WAR.

As well as anything/60.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

As well as anything/60.

I disagree on this one

 

[UED]

Elite offense and top end skill is always more rare, and more valuable than elite defence. Always.

It's definitely not more rare unless you consider good defense to be elite, and if so, because it's not, that goes to show how much rarer elite defense is. But the problem is you pay 11M for the same player quality you would pay 7M for if he were defensive. Look at Krug, Faulk, Petry, Montour, Dunn, Ekholm, Lindholm, Parayko and McDonagh's salaries lol. Those 4 defensive dmen are by far the 4 best players listed, easily even twice the player whichever of the others is the best, it's like 4 elite players compared to 5 depth/UFA replacement level players, but they make the same money if not even less. Why is Danault, an elite shutdown center, making as much as Bjorkstrand, Mittelstadt, Teravainen, below average PP specialists? Players only get paid for their hockeydb page, defense comes free. But it's a literally equal part of the team.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I disagree on this one

I think scoring is too situational and the game too dynamic to extrapolate out like that, personally.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I think scoring is too situational and the game too dynamic to extrapolate out like that, personally.

It's just another angle to look at, another data point. I like more available information instead of less. There will never not be too many variables. There's always interference that you have to account for, and a lot you can't even account for.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It's just another angle to look at, another data point. I like more available information instead of less. There will never not be too many variables. There's always interference that you have to account for.

...the problem lies when people stop believing in the eye test as well and just spout skewed stats that don't take into account the plethora of other variables that can sway stats one way or another...

 

[a mangy Meowth]

...the problem lies when people stop believing in the eye test as well and just spout skewed stats that don't take into account the plethora of other variables that can sway stats one way or another...

Some people's eyes suck, to be honest lol.

 

[Bizz]

Slavin isn't even the best Defenseman on his own team.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Slavin isn't even the best Defenseman on his own team.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Slavin isn't even the best Defenseman on his own team.

Please don't tell me you mean Burns

 

[notsocommonsense]

I guess the big argument I have is the Vancouver Canucks imo would be so much better with DeAngelo and Slavin in and Quinn Hughes out

I love Slavin but this^ is just plain stupid

 

[kthx]

As a single player? No. But every single contending team, especially those who go far in playoffs need a player like him. There are plenty of PP1 guys, but how many excellent defencive D-man do exist?

It's about supply & demand imo.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I love Slavin but this^ is just plain stupid

 

[Bizz]

Please don't tell me you mean Burns

I mean how many Norris trophies does Slavin have?

Fewer than Burns last I checked.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I mean how many Norris trophies does Slavin have?

Fewer than Burns last I checked.

Ok but you do know that Burns has been complete ass so far this year right?

 

[Bizz]

Ok but you do know that Burns is complete ass this year so far right?

Burns has also played in Stanley Cup Finals games.

Something Slavin has never done (and likely never will).

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Burns has also played in Stanley Cup Finals games.

Something Slavin has never done (and likely never will).

Irrelevant to what's going on this season

Keep in mind I don't give a shit about the Canes I'm an Avalanche fan

 

[Bizz]

Irrelevant to what's going on this season

I'd rather have a 40 year old former Norris Defenseman that knows how to win over a 30 year old pylon that's never won jack shit in his career.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I mean how many Norris trophies does Slavin have?

Fewer than Burns last I checked.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I'd rather have a 40 year old former Norris Defenseman that knows how to win over a 30 year old pylon that's never won jack shit in his career.

 

[Bizz]

"oh but Slavin is E-LITE Defenseively"

I've seen the pylon get walked many times. In person and on TV.

 

[Avs2022]

That card appears to claim that Slavin is better offensively than defensively.

Is that correct? Just want to confirm I’m not misreading.

You are misreading it.

Edit - I wasn't looking at the graph.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Slavin isn't even the best Defenseman on his own team.

I mean how many Norris trophies does Slavin have?

Fewer than Burns last I checked.

Burns has also played in Stanley Cup Finals games.

Something Slavin has never done (and likely never will).

I'd rather have a 40 year old former Norris Defenseman that knows how to win over a 30 year old pylon that's never won jack shit in his career.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

This is Claude Giroux: best player in the world, part 2.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

"oh but Slavin is E-LITE Defenseively"

I've seen the pylon get walked many times. In person and on TV.