Value of: Jacob Markstrom and/or Tyler Toffoli to the Leafs.

[Figgy44]

Nah. Tre blew through awful coaches and Murray has always loved Sutter and said enough is enough. Apparently he didn’t interview anyone out side of Peters and that blew up on him.

There's valid criticisms of coaching hires for Treliving, but for Peters, performance (other than the first round... whatever that was) wasn't the issue. The issue was the racism claims by Akim Aliu. Not interviewing others other than Peters wasn't technically an actual issue.

IMO if Treliving is looking for pieces to work with in Toronto, it's not Markstrom and Toffoli. I think it'd be Vladar and Tanev.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Toffoli makes sense but he will also make sense to every other team hoping to compete.

Markstrom, as much as I love him and have been a fan for ages, is too risky for Toronto at this point.

 

[Backlund]

Or the list of coaches who would actually take the job in calgary is almost zero.

Yeah because Calgary is so bad that people wouldn't be willing to take one of 32 available jobs in the world.

 

[Legion34]

According to Capfriendly, they have $9.1M in space with 15 players signed. They basically have the entire bottom 6 to fill out as well as figure out how to fix the goalie situation. Cap space is definitely an issue

Muzzin on LTIR. Murray isn’t coming back (buyout is 600k)

They will have about 18-20 million depending on retention
For Murray

With

Xxxx. Matthews. Marner
Knies. Tavares. Nylander
Jarnkrok. Xxxxx. Lafferty
Xxxxx. Xxxxxxx. Xxxxxxx

Rielly. Brodie
McCabe lilly
Gio. Timmins

Xxxx
Woll

Plenty of space probably will want to upgrade 1 d (4-5 million) Sammy 3-4 million. 4th line 3 million. And now you have about 8 million for a winter and a 3c

 

[StuckOutHere]

Cap space isn't actually a huge issue there was an article I believe it was by James Mirtle that said they had between 20-30 million to work with and that was before trades, how they got there I'm not sure because I'm not subbed to the Athletic but cap room isn't an issue.

As for Markstrom that whole team was dog shit.

I mean, I think it is closer to $14.5M. Thats $9.1Mish + Muzzin's $5.6Mish. It could go up if Matt Murray gets an all expenses paid trip to Robidas Island or they trade him without consequence (+$4.6M). The way you get to that $30M is if you trade Marner and take back no salary of consequence (which I consider quite unlikely).

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I mean, I think it is closer to $14.5M. Thats $9.1Mish + Muzzin's $5.6Mish. It could go up if Matt Murray get's an all expenses paid trip to Robidas Island (+$4.6M). The way you get to that $30M is if you trade Marner and take back no salary of consequence (which I consider quite unlikely).

But the article said 20-30 million without trades so I'm not sure how they got to 30 million without trades.

But I could see how they got to 20 million for sure.

Even 20 million though is a lot of room if used right.

 

[Boondock]

According to Capfriendly, they have $9.1M in space with 15 players signed. They basically have the entire bottom 6 to fill out as well as figure out how to fix the goalie situation. Cap space is definitely an issue

- Leafs have $9.1 in space right now
- Buy out Murray comes with roughly a $600k cap hit this season opening up another $4.0 million
- Assume Muzzin will be on LTIR to start next season $5.6 that can be used to replace Muzzin
- Total cap if they buy out MM and LTIR Muzzin = $18.7 million to sign 7ish players

Samsonov: $5.0
Top 6 LW: $4.5-5.5
3rd line C: $3-4
bottom 6 forward: $850
bottom 6 forward: $850
bottom pairing D: $1.0
#7 D: $800

Total Cap: $16.0 - $18.0 and a 22 man roster

 

[treple13]

There's valid criticisms of coaching hires for Treliving, but for Peters, performance (other than the first round... whatever that was) wasn't the issue.

The team looked worse under him in the fall of 2020 than at any point under any coach. Team looked completely done with playing for him. Geoff Ward saved that season, and Geoff Ward isn't a good coach. If the allegations against him don't come out, I don't see a way he survives that year anyway

 

[Figgy44]

The team looked worse under him in the fall of 2020 than at any point under any coach. Team looked completely done with playing for him. Geoff Ward saved that season, and Geoff Ward isn't a good coach. If the allegations against him don't come out, I don't see a way he survives that year anyway

Sure, but again, with what happened that initial season, that meant that Treliving not interviewing others wasn't an issue because performance.

But it does seem kind of strange that the Flames keep going back and forth between taskmasters and players coaches.

Hartley
Gulutzan
Peters
Ward
Sutter
(Players coach?)

 

[Phion Keneuf]

- Leafs have $9.1 in space right now
- Buy out Murray comes with roughly a $600k cap hit this season opening up another $4.0 million
- Assume Muzzin will be on LTIR to start next season $5.6 that can be used to replace Muzzin
- Total cap if they buy out MM and LTIR Muzzin = $18.7 million to sign 7ish players

Samsonov: $5.0
Top 6 LW: $4.5-5.5
3rd line C: $3-4
bottom 6 forward: $850
bottom 6 forward: $850
bottom pairing D: $1.0
#7 D: $800

Total Cap: $16.0 - $18.0 and a 22 man roster

Samsonov will not be getting $5M.
He’s an RFA. Bridge for $3.5M maximum.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Sure, but again, with what happened that initial season, that meant that Treliving not interviewing others wasn't an issue because performance.

But it does seem kind of strange that the Flames keep going back and forth between taskmasters and players coaches.

Hartley
Gulutzan
Peters
Ward
Sutter
(Players coach?)

Love is a players coach. So is Brunette and Broudeau.

 

[seanlinden]

One has to ask themselves.... what is Calgary doing??

If they're rebuilding, then I think a Murray <-> Markstrom swap, even if you'r retaining a little bit on Markstrom, may make some sense. You get a Murray-Vladar tandem this year, know that Murray will likely miss some time, and Vladar-Wolf going forward.

In terms of Toffoli, as others have mentioned, there will be lots of teams interested if Calgary wants to move him... Toronto has cap space, but a ton of roster spots to fill out. The only realistic way to afford him, is if they're moving a Marner/Nylander.

 

[JPeeper]

One has to ask themselves.... what is Calgary doing??

If they're rebuilding, then I think a Murray <-> Markstrom swap, even if you'r retaining a little bit on Markstrom, may make some sense. You get a Murray-Vladar tandem this year, know that Murray will likely miss some time, and Vladar-Wolf going forward.

In terms of Toffoli, as others have mentioned, there will be lots of teams interested if Calgary wants to move him... Toronto has cap space, but a ton of roster spots to fill out. The only realistic way to afford him, is if they're moving a Marner/Nylander.

Trying to make the playoffs. Flames would easily have made the playoffs this year if Markstrom was just average over the entire year. Team is too old and has too many long term contracts to rebuild.

A different coach and Markstrom not being a liability for 5 months and the Flames are back in next year. How far they go who knows, but they are no where near as bad as some on this site like to think.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Markstrom in a 41/41 split with Wolf (or thereabouts) is probably exactly what both need to maximize their effectiveness over the next three years.

 

[YP44]

If Treliving is headed to Toronto and he’s bringing in his own guys would Sutter coming too?

If you think Sutter was Brad's guy you have not been paying attention

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Toffoli is a beast but I love this draft and if we could get a late first it’s a no brainer IMO

Markstrom… sure he could be had for nothing but I can’t see anyone taking him. Maybe for another player who needs a change of scenery?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Samsonov didnt move the needle in the playoffs but you want a worse performing job goalie for more money and longer term lol

 

[ToDavid]

Samsonov had a very strong regular season but not a great playoffs, with a new GM coming in, I wonder if he's safe as the #1 guy.

Seems a tad risky to replace him with a goalie who’s only accomplishment three years into his 6x6 contract is one good regular season and a bad playoff run.

 

[Zirakzigil]

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I dont see the Flames moving on Markstrom, yet. Zero chance they go into next year with Vlad and Wolf as their guys. Even if they were tearing everything down, thats a great way to ruin two young goalies.

Toffoli I think is available for the right price. How available will depend on if he is interested in signing an extension and what you are offering. If you offered up a 1st and a prospect, the Flames would listen.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

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I dont see the Flames moving on Markstrom, yet. Zero chance they go into next year with Vlad and Wolf as their guys. Even if they were tearing everything down, thats a great way to ruin two young goalies.

Toffoli I think is available for the right price. How available will depend on if he is interested in signing an extension and what you are offering. If you offered up a 1st and a prospect, the Flames would listen.

Maybe not for Treliving.

Are you sure COnroy feels the same way?

 

[Zirakzigil]

Maybe not for Treliving.

Are you sure COnroy feels the same way?

Teams expecting to go to the playoffs, let alone do damage in them, dont rely on 2 goalies with a combined 56 starts in the NHL. I am very confident Conroy feels the same way. Especially after hes already made comments about getting his all star goalie back into form.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

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I dont see the Flames moving on Markstrom, yet. Zero chance they go into next year with Vlad and Wolf as their guys. Even if they were tearing everything down, thats a great way to ruin two young goalies.

Toffoli I think is available for the right price. How available will depend on if he is interested in signing an extension and what you are offering. If you offered up a 1st and a prospect, the Flames would listen.

Who said anything about going into next season with Wolf as the #1?

If Markstrom came in Samsonov probably isn't sticking around

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

One has to ask themselves.... what is Calgary doing??

If they're rebuilding, then I think a Murray <-> Markstrom swap, even if you'r retaining a little bit on Markstrom, may make some sense. You get a Murray-Vladar tandem this year, know that Murray will likely miss some time, and Vladar-Wolf going forward.

In terms of Toffoli, as others have mentioned, there will be lots of teams interested if Calgary wants to move him... Toronto has cap space, but a ton of roster spots to fill out. The only realistic way to afford him, is if they're moving a Marner/Nylander.

You do not need to move Marner or Nylander to fit in Toffoli, that's the beauty of Toffoli is that you don't need to do that.

If it's true that Shanny called the core 4 and told them they are all coming back then Toffoli is perfect.

 

[Fjordy]

Markstrom… sure he could be had for nothing but I can’t see anyone taking him. Maybe for another player who needs a change of scenery?

I think Buffalo could be interested in Markstrom, we need some experienced and proven goalie for 2-3 years while Levi develops quietly.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think Buffalo could be interested in Markstrom, we need some experienced and proven goalie for 2-3 years while Levi develops quietly.

I agree They make a lot of sense but Markstrom has a full NMC would he waive for a team that's missed the playoffs 12 straight years? That might be a tough sell.

Then again maybe he sees himself as the difference.