Value of: Jacob Markstrom and/or Tyler Toffoli to the Leafs.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Now to be clear this is strictly my own speculation at this point.

However all signs are pointing to Brad Treliving becoming the Leafs GM, and assuming that happens, I wonder if, like Dubas Treliving is going to bring in his guys.

I can't help but wonder if he makes a call to Calgary abut Markstrom or Toffoli, maybe even Lindholm or Backlund.

Samsonov had a very strong regular season but not a great playoffs, with a new GM coming in, I wonder if he's safe as the #1 guy.

In the case of Toffoli, or Lindholm but probably Toffoli, Toronto is going to lose Bunting and Kerfoot to free agency.

Now one of them can be replaced by Knies, the other is going to require outside addition.

Backlund would be a possible replacement for ROR.

I feel like a Toronto/Calgary deal is coming

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[MisterT]

A little early to speculate on Treliving and where in the world dies the cap space come from? That’s before acknowledging that Markstrom was hot garbage last year.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A little early to speculate on Treliving and where in the world dies the cap space come from? That’s before acknowledging that Markstrom was hot garbage last year.

Cap space isn't actually a huge issue there was an article I believe it was by James Mirtle that said they had between 20-30 million to work with and that was before trades, how they got there I'm not sure because I'm not subbed to the Athletic but cap room isn't an issue.

As for Markstrom that whole team was dog shit.

 

[Fatass]

If Treliving is headed to Toronto and he’s bringing in his own guys would Sutter coming too?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If Treliving is headed to Toronto and he’s bringing in his own guys would Sutter coming too?

Probably not, the rumor was he left Calgary because Ownership wasn't going to fire Sutter.

It was only after the players forced their hand that they fired Sutter.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Leafs could use sutter for a season. I imagine Matthews and Marner would straight up refuse to play for him.

 

[Fatass]

Probably not, the rumor was he left Calgary because Ownership wasn't going to fire Sutter.

It was only after the players forced their hand that they fired Sutter.

Sutter might be the right coach to light a fire under some of the leaf key guys though. Treliving hired Sutter and extended him too. If Treliving is the GM imo he brings in his guy to coach: Sutter.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yeah highly unlikely Markstrom waivers his NMC and Calgary likely plans to have him mentor Wolf the next few years

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I'd do Markstrom pretty much for free. Even take back Matt Murray's contract

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sutter might be the right coach to light a fire under some of the leaf key guys though. Treliving hired Sutter and extended him too. If Treliving is the GM imo he brings in his guy to coach: Sutter.

That is generally how that works but by all accounts Treliving didn't want to work with him anymore so him hiring Sutter seems unlikely.

Yeah highly unlikely Markstrom waivers his NMC and Calgary likely plans to have him mentor Wolf the next few years

Depends on what direction Calgary takes

 

[Haatley]

Cap space isn't actually a huge issue there was an article I believe it was by James Mirtle that said they had between 20-30 million to work with and that was before trades, how they got there I'm not sure because I'm not subbed to the Athletic but cap room isn't an issue.

As for Markstrom that whole team was dog shit.

The whole team was not dog shit. You need to stay up a bit later, The Flames were the better team in the majority of the games they played.

Markstrom was also very good to close out the season. He is definitely a huge upgrade over the terrible goaltending Toronto has had for the last decade.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Depends on what direction Calgary takes

I really don't think it does. Especially this offseason, Vladar will almost certainly be moved to make cap space and room for Wolf. Outside of that I don't see Calgary making any major changes besides promoting some young guys.

After the season he just had Markstrom's trade value is pretty much non-existent, especially with the control he has. He will have to drastically raise his valuem before Calgary considers moving him

 

[Backlund]

If Treliving is headed to Toronto and he’s bringing in his own guys would Sutter coming too?

Sutter's not his guy. Ownership hired him because he was too bad at picking coaches. If the Leafs hire Treliving I can guarantee you will never see Sutter behind your bench during his tenure.

 

[Volica]

Markstrom seems unlikely.

Even in Conroy's press conference he talked about getting his world class goalie back on track. Conroy doesn't seem like a double speaker. Signs, to me, point to Vladar being moved; 2.2M goalie that has shown to be an excellent back up. I look at teams like Philly, Pittsburgh, Ottawa or Chicago who could use a lower pick and grab a guy who could be something decent for them short and long term (only 25 y.o).

Flames will make room for Wolf. It's not even a question to me; he's the future in net.

Toffoli to Toronto could be a fit. Not sure what a trade looks like there, Toronto doesn't have much cap, and neither does Calgary. It's sort of money in, money out in those deals, and you know Calgary will want to recoup that 1st rounder they spent on Tyler.

 

[Fatass]

Sutter's not his guy. Ownership hired him because he was too bad at picking coaches. If the Leafs hire Treliving I can guarantee you will never see Sutter behind your bench during his tenure.

Of course what way suggest here is highly unlikely to actually happen. It’s highly unlikely Treliving, if hired by the Leafs, brings in Markstrom and Tofoli. But the connection to Calgary will be there. So much like Dubas brought in his coach in Keene, Treliving could bring in his coach in Sutter. Might be a good one year go at the Cup. Sutter is a proven winner.

 

[Haatley]

Of course what way suggest here is highly unlikely to actually happen. It’s highly unlikely Treliving, if hired by the Leafs, brings in Markstrom and Tofoli. But the connection to Calgary will be there. So much like Dubas brought in his coach in Keene, Treliving could bring in his coach in Sutter. Might be a good one year go at the Cup. Sutter is a proven winner.

Sutter is not his coach. He literally turned down an offer from the Flames because of Sutter. Not sure if you're following.

Plus Sutter said he would only coach the Flames. I don't think you'll see Sutter anywhere but the farm.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Markstrom seems unlikely.

Even in Conroy's press conference he talked about getting his world class goalie back on track. Conroy doesn't seem like a double speaker. Signs, to me, point to Vladar being moved; 2.2M goalie that has shown to be an excellent back up. I look at teams like Philly, Pittsburgh, Ottawa or Chicago who could use a lower pick and grab a guy who could be something decent for them short and long term (only 25 y.o).

Flames will make room for Wolf. It's not even a question to me; he's the future in net.

Toffoli to Toronto could be a fit. Not sure what a trade looks like there, Toronto doesn't have much cap, and neither does Calgary. It's sort of money in, money out in those deals, and you know Calgary will want to recoup that 1st rounder they spent on Tyler.

Everybody thinks Toronto is short on cap space but that's not actually the case

Of course what way suggest here is highly unlikely to actually happen. It’s highly unlikely Treliving, if hired by the Leafs, brings in Markstrom and Tofoli. But the connection to Calgary will be there. So much like Dubas brought in his coach in Keene, Treliving could bring in his coach in Sutter. Might be a good one year go at the Cup. Sutter is a proven winner.

But Sutter isn't his coach, he left because he didn't want to work with Sutter anymore.

 

[Backlund]

Of course what way suggest here is highly unlikely to actually happen. It’s highly unlikely Treliving, if hired by the Leafs, brings in Markstrom and Tofoli. But the connection to Calgary will be there. So much like Dubas brought in his coach in Keene, Treliving could bring in his coach in Sutter. Might be a good one year go at the Cup. Sutter is a proven winner.

Nah you don't understand. Treliving literally left Calgary because ownership wouldn't let him fire Sutter. The owner hired Sutter because Treliving's coaching hires were terrible. At the end of Sutter's tenure, him and Treliving were barely speaking to each other.

Markstrom and Toffoli are possibilities. Treliving hiring Sutter will never happen. And never happened before.

 

[Magic Man]

I could see Toronto sending Samsonov in trade as part of a package for a Hellebuyck or Saros if they want to go big fish hunting in net.

Markstrom is not a bad idea either. But, he's coming off an ugly year and he has some term. The Leafs don't need to shake things up in net with Samsonov and Woll. A trade would probably be Murray + a couple B-level prospects/picks/assets for Markstrom (1M retained) and then we would have to make a side trade for Woll.

I don't think that makes sense for Calgary. Pros and cons to it from Toronto's angle. The cons being Markstrom may not rebound, we aren't sure what we have in Woll yet, the cap difference is still large. Some pros, Markstrom may always be a better starting option than Woll, he's 6'6, cheap to acquire, Samsonov/Markstrom seems like a tandem you could win a cup with on paper.

 

[kingpest19]

Cap space isn't actually a huge issue there was an article I believe it was by James Mirtle that said they had between 20-30 million to work with and that was before trades, how they got there I'm not sure because I'm not subbed to the Athletic but cap room isn't an issue.

As for Markstrom that whole team was dog shit.

According to Capfriendly, they have $9.1M in space with 15 players signed. They basically have the entire bottom 6 to fill out as well as figure out how to fix the goalie situation. Cap space is definitely an issue

 

[Siludin]

Now to be clear this is strictly my own speculation at this point.

However all signs are pointing to Brad Treliving becoming the Leafs GM, and assuming that happens, I wonder if, like Dubas Treliving is going to bring in his guys.

I can't help but wonder if he makes a call to Calgary abut Markstrom or Toffoli, maybe even Lindholm or Backlund.

Samsonov had a very strong regular season but not a great playoffs, with a new GM coming in, I wonder if he's safe as the #1 guy.

In the case of Toffoli, or Lindholm but probably Toffoli, Toronto is going to lose Bunting and Kerfoot to free agency.

Now one of them can be replaced by Knies, the other is going to require outside addition.

Backlund would be a possible replacement for ROR.

I feel like a Toronto/Calgary deal is coming

If it's your own speculation, it's more of a Proposal:
If it's pondered by a media outlet or reputable individual (in the hockey world - I'm sure you are a perfectly reputable person!) it's called Speculation:

 

[sxvnert]

Ownership hired him because he was too bad at picking coaches.

Or the list of coaches who would actually take the job in calgary is almost zero.

 

[Bond]

Or the list of coaches who would actually take the job in calgary is almost zero.

Nah. Tre blew through awful coaches and Murray has always loved Sutter and said enough is enough. Apparently he didn’t interview anyone out side of Peters and that blew up on him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If it's your own speculation, it's more of a Proposal:
If it's pondered by a media outlet or reputable individual (in the hockey world - I'm sure you are a perfectly reputable person!) it's called Speculation:

It's not a proposal though because that would require I post a trade proposal I didn't.

According to Capfriendly, they have $9.1M in space with 15 players signed. They basically have the entire bottom 6 to fill out as well as figure out how to fix the goalie situation. Cap space is definitely an issue

Like I said I'm not sure how they got to that conclusion because I'm not subbed to the athletic so I couldn't read the article.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Just look at whoever the Canucks don’t re-sign. That will be Treleving’s target.