Prospect Info: Jacob Bernard-Docker (D) 3 year ELC signed

Xspyrit

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Very nice to get a cheap option with upside in the 6/7 role.

Wonder if we risk Thomson on waivers or try to get a late pick for him.

Ideally he'd be packaged with DeBrincat to better the return

Or just keep Thomson as the 7th D? Depending on injuries, could have an opportunity to prove he can play in the NHL long term, hence have a bit more value

That’s good. He should be improved this year.
Kleven might be better than him already though.

Kleven is a beast but he's LHD and JBD is RHD so they are not in direct competition... Actually JBD is our 2nd best RHD :laugh:
 
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We'll likely start the season with 8 D, and there's always injuries

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Thomson, Hamonic/UFA?

Depending on the UFA, they'll get subbed in to the 3rd pair, but I see us rotating JBD and Thomson in the lineup until one of them shows they earned it.
We wont go with 8D, don't see it happening, it's always been 7. And Lassi almost certainly wont be on the starting roster, he's not waiver exempt. If short term injuries happen and you need a stop gap, then it will most likely be Guenette or Kleven that will get the call rather than Lassi since they don't have to go through waivers. Only way I see Thomson getting a shot at this point is if there was a major long term injury and he improves his play significantly in the AHL to force their hand and give him a go. He'll need to impress in Belleville first though, if he gets the call and Dorion quickly sours on him, we'll most likely loose him in waivers. He has to stick once he's up.
 

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We wont go with 8D, don't see it happening, it's always been 7. And Lassi almost certainly wont be on the starting roster, he's not waiver exempt. If short term injuries happen and you need a stop gap, then it will most likely be Guenette or Kleven that will get the call rather than Lassi since they don't have to go through waivers. Only way I see Thomson getting a shot at this point is if there was a major long term injury and he improves his play significantly in the AHL to force their hand and give him a go. He'll need to impress in Belleville first though, if he gets the call and Dorion quickly sours on him, we'll most likely loose him in waivers. He has to stick once he's up.
Not being waiver exempt is exactly why we'll likely go with 8 if we pick up another body unless someone is traded. In the past, JBD, Thomson, and Brannstrom having waiver exemption was the reason we went with 7 D, no reason to have a guy in the pressbox when he could be in the AHL logging mins, but we have 7 guys under contract that need to pass through waivers if we want them to start the year in Belleville, that makes this year different.
 
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SENStastic

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Not being waiver exempt is exactly why we'll likely go with 8 if we pick up another body unless someone is traded. In the past, JBD, Thomson, and Brannstrom having waiver exemption was the reason we went with 7 D, no reason to have a guy in the pressbox when he could be in the AHL logging mins, but we have 7 guys under contract that need to pass through waivers if we want them to start the year in Belleville, that makes this year different.
Does Lassi need to clear waivers first if he is still under a 2-way contract to start in Belleville rather than on the roster beginning of the season?
 

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Does Lassi need to clear waivers first if he is still under a 2-way contract to start in Belleville rather than on the roster beginning of the season?
2 way contract is just about what he's paid while he's in the AHL.

Every waiver eligible player needs to clear at the start of the year if you want them to start in the AHL.

The only grace is that with all teams waiving their 8th and 9th D, there's some safety in numbers, where as if we were to waive him a couple weeks into the season, he'd likely be the lone guy that day and more likely to get picked up.
 
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We'll likely start the season with 8 D, and there's always injuries

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Chychrun
Brannstrom-JBD

Thomson, Hamonic/UFA?

Depending on the UFA, they'll get subbed in to the 3rd pair, but I see us rotating JBD and Thomson in the lineup until one of them shows they earned it.
Hamonic might cost too much AAV salary and might only sign here if it is for 2 or more seasons. I'm OK with moving on from Hamonic even though he adds some experience and physicality versus the other options we have. Would still like a big D who plays physical and strong defensively.
 

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2 way contract is just about what he's paid while he's in the AHL.

Every waiver eligible player needs to clear at the start of the year if you want them to start in the AHL.

The only grace is that with all teams waiving their 8th and 9th D, there's some safety in numbers, where as if we were to waive him a couple weeks into the season, he'd likely be the lone guy that day and more likely to get picked up.
Oh ok, didn't realize he'll have to clear first. Wouldn't be surprised he's moved before then or maybe we take a chance and hope he clears at season start if that's his best chance not getting picked up. Carrying him as an extra 8th D when they don't think he should be up wouldn't make sense, you'll just end up sending him down a little later anyhow and also have a higher risk of losing him than doing it at the beginning.
 

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Good signing, I imagine JBD will likely be in Ott to start the season next yr & it will be Thomson who will need to go through waivers. That's six D signed so far & I imagine they will extend Hamonic for next season. Interesting that they only gave Brannstrom one yr & JBD two yrs.

Ottawa has 7 forwards signed for next yr with DBC & Pinto pending. Wonder who they have in mind internally to take a spot or two & who they have in mind to sign from free agency. Reaves in Toronto will help them play a lot bigger & tougher.
 

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Excellent signing. JBD can still turn into a top 4 shutdown D for us and if he doesn't, this signing doesn't break the bench.
 

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We wont go with 8D, don't see it happening, it's always been 7. And Lassi almost certainly wont be on the starting roster, he's not waiver exempt. If short term injuries happen and you need a stop gap, then it will most likely be Guenette or Kleven that will get the call rather than Lassi since they don't have to go through waivers. Only way I see Thomson getting a shot at this point is if there was a major long term injury and he improves his play significantly in the AHL to force their hand and give him a go. He'll need to impress in Belleville first though, if he gets the call and Dorion quickly sours on him, we'll most likely loose him in waivers. He has to stick once he's up.
I am going to be a contrarian here and suggest that Thomson makes the team out of training camp.
 
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JBD comes from a very good school that seems to train their defence to play the right way. I expect that JBD will be one of those quiet contributors that gets better every yr & play a safe game.
 

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I had high hopes for this guy but he doesn’t seem to have gained any strength which was critical for him to play the kind of game that suits his skill set best. Another 7th D - AHL guy unfortunately
 
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Said for awhile he's the textbook definition of a replacement level defenseman.

Every team has a JBD and every year multiple of them pass through waivers.

Not sure what he did to deserve a one-way contract for 2 years when he doesn't even look NHL caliber.
 
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I had high hopes for this guy but he doesn’t seem to have gained any strength which was critical for him to play the kind of game that suits his skill set best. Another 7th D - AHL guy unfortunately
I honestly dont know why he was the one they called up. He's terrible, a defensive d man that is slow undersized and scared. No offensive skill, no patience with the puck. Rather see him sent down and Matinpalo stay up once Zub is back. He's bigger, longer better defender than JBD.
 

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I honestly dont know why he was the one they called up. He's terrible, a defensive d man that is slow undersized and scared. No offensive skill, no patience with the puck. Rather see him sent down and Matinpalo stay up once Zub is back. He's bigger, longer better defender than JBD.
That’s overblown. He’s an average skater, Imhes just too weak.
 

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I honestly dont know why he was the one they called up. He's terrible, a defensive d man that is slow undersized and scared. No offensive skill, no patience with the puck. Rather see him sent down and Matinpalo stay up once Zub is back. He's bigger, longer better defender than JBD.

JBD seems to get deceived easily, gets sucked into puck watching
 

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I honestly dont know why he was the one they called up. He's terrible, a defensive d man that is slow undersized and scared. No offensive skill, no patience with the puck. Rather see him sent down and Matinpalo stay up once Zub is back. He's bigger, longer better defender than JBD.
Said for awhile he's the textbook definition of a replacement level defenseman.

Every team has a JBD and every year multiple of them pass through waivers.

Not sure what he did to deserve a one-way contract for 2 years when he doesn't even look NHL caliber.

JBD looks the exact same player as he did when he was drafted, I see no apparent growth that merits a 1-way deal.

As I said on another thread, I like Matinpalo’s size over JBD’s anything.
 

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JBD looks the exact same player as he did when he was drafted, I see no apparent growth that merits a 1-way deal.

As I said on another thread, I like Matinpalo’s size over JBD’s anything.
Many people are impressed with SIZE! :)
 

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I forget if the details came out but I want to know who’s decision it was to trade back and pass on k miller and then take jbd and then tychonik. Cause that is absolutely terrible.
On draft day I was waiting for them to pick miller. You know, the obvious pick.
Then was expecting durzi smh
 

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