Speculation: Jackets open for business, 4th overall available for right deal

[Blackhawkswincup]

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[Viqsi]

I predict nobody's going to come anywhere near something that would be considered "the right deal" within the first two pages of this thread.

EDIT: First five minutes and we're already 0 for 2.

 

[Dog]

Crouse+#49+#65 for #4

 

[Richiebottles]

Still think there is a deal between the Habs and the Jackets around 4OA + Laine for 5OA + 26th (or other piece)

 

[McDoused]

Darnell Nurse is available.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Every year people get fooled into thinking teams are trying to trade their top 10 pick after the GM says "we're listening" or "if the right offer comes along", and so on.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Every year people get fooled into thinking teams are trying to trade their top 10 pick after the GM says "we're listening" or "if the right offer comes along", and so on.

Exactly. Teams with picks in the top 10 say this every year but rarely trade down. It's the pucks in deep of GM speak.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yeah not happening

 

[GoJackets1]

“The right deal” in these cases ALWAYS mean a drastic overpayment that we will never see happen, no point in speculating.

 

[Double Dion]

Huberdeau. You guys could have the 2 most overpaid LWers in the game. You'd be leading the league in something!

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Still think there is a deal between the Habs and the Jackets around 4OA + Laine for 5OA + 26th (or other piece)

I don’t see the value in adding another late round first, our prospect system is fully stocked. Waddell is looking to make a hockey trade with Laine.

 

[Double Dion]

I don’t see the value in adding another late round first, our prospect system is fully stocked. Waddell is looking to make a hockey trade with Laine.

If Dubois can get traded for a 3 year goalie they can definitely trade Laine. Although I think the acquiring team in both situations will regret it.

 

[dgibb10]

Time for everyone to vastly underrate the value of a top 4 pick.

7 years of cheap control.

Think superstar. Think your 1C, your superstar winger, or your best dman. with term. Think Elias Pettersson, Brady Tkachuk,

Or, think a proven STUD with bargain control. think Wyatt Johnson, Matthew Boldy

 

[Viqsi]

Time for everyone to vastly underrate the value of a top 4 pick.

7 years of cheap control.

Think superstar. Think your 1C, your superstar winger, or your best dman. with term.

Pretty much, altho that's for an outright trade. For a trade up scenario you need to already be pretty high in the draft order, and then also be willing to give up a player that the Jackets really badly need.

I think there's all of two, maybe three teams in a position to do that, but I don't think any of them would want to if they knew who they were and what we'd want.

 

[dgibb10]

Pretty much, altho that's for an outright trade. For a trade up scenario you need to already be pretty high in the draft order, and then also be willing to give up a player that the Jackets really badly need.

I think there's all of two, maybe three teams in a position to do that, but I don't think any of them would want to if they knew who they were and what we'd want.

Yep, like for NJD I think it would be something like 10th overall+Dawson Mercer. Now, I wouldn't offer that because it doesn't make sense given our team state. If anything I could see us trading down, or trading up a small amount if a guy falls.

But that's the kind of thing it would take

 

[Viqsi]

Yep, like for NJD I think it would be something like 10th overall+Dawson Mercer. Now, I wouldn't offer that because it doesn't make sense given our team state. If anything I could see us trading down, or trading up a small amount if a guy falls.

But that's the kind of thing it would take

Something like that, except I wouldn't have considered NJD one of the teams in question, because we need a specific type of experienced roster player.

 

[dgibb10]

Something like that, except I wouldn't have considered NJD one of the teams in question, because we need a specific type of experienced roster player.

Yeah I don't think even in the craziest of fan boredom does NJD trading up to 4 make sense for either side. Was just throwing something out based on pieces I know the most about.

 

[Bizz]

Ryder+Halak+2nd should be enough.

 

[thebestnic]

Feels like the kind of thing we hear each year but no gm is gonna trade a top 5 pick knowing how valuable those picks are with a salary cap

 

[Bizz]

Time for everyone to vastly underrate the value of a top 4 pick.

7 years of cheap control.

Think superstar. Think your 1C, your superstar winger, or your best dman. with term. Think Elias Pettersson, Brady Tkachuk,

Or, think a proven STUD with bargain control. think Wyatt Johnson, Matthew Boldy

there was one Canucks fan who thought the Sharks trading #1OA (aka Celebrini) for Elias the Playoff Ghost Pettersson was a totally fair and realistic proposal.

 

[dgibb10]

Feels like the kind of thing we hear each year but no gm is gonna trade a top 5 pick knowing how valuable those picks are with a salary cap

A top 4 pick has never been traded in the salary cap era.

5th overall was traded once, in a trade down to 7 (further flipped for 9)

7th overall was traded 1 other time for Debrincat.

 

[thebestnic]

A top 4 pick has never been traded in the salary cap era.

5th overall was traded once, in a trade down to 7 (further flipped for 9)

7th overall was traded 1 other time for Debrincat.

Thanks. So it happened once as I don't think a top 3 was traded either ?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Just for fun, and assuming Montreal views Demidov, Levshunov and Lindstrom as DEFINITELY better (and better fits) than anybody they could draft at pick number 5 :

to Columbus Blue Jackets
5th overall pick
Samuel Montembeault (3y @ $3.15m)
Jordan Harris (1y @ $1.4m RFA)
( retain $1.62m on Merzlikins )
TOTAL CAP = $6.17m (+ Jiricek to AHL, remove Jiricek cap from roster)
CAP CHANGE = open $0.1484m in cap

to Montreal Canadiens
4th overall pick
Elvis Merzlikins (30% retained) (3y @ $3.78m)
maybe Columbus adds like a 4th or 5th or 6th rounder too ? no ?
TOTAL CAP = $3.78m (+ Struble to NHL, add Struble cap to roster)
CAP CHANGE = add $0.0975m in cap


Columbus will trade Montembeault between now and next summer so that Greaves has an NHL spot and doesn't need to be waived or have 3 goalies on roster. Perhaps they trade him right away to Detroit for Husso (with or without retention) and a pick.

MONTREAL - Merzlikins + Primeau
COLUMBUS - Montembeault + Tarasov ( + Greaves callup )

or

MONTREAL - Merzlikins + Primeau
COLUMBUS - Tarasov + Husso ( + Greaves callup )
DETROIT - Montembeault + Lyon ( + Cossa callup )

 

[bernmeister]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803794330991096132

I predict nobody's going to come anywhere near something that would be considered "the right deal" within the first two pages of this thread.

EDIT: First five minutes and we're already 0 for 2.

Shesterkin
straight up

CBJ gets known elite talent
if he doesn't extend you flip for a haul
but you have a chance to retain and buid

Rs gamble Garand under Quick will work sufficiently
4OA helps recover from prior win now rental wastes

 

[BleedBlue14]

Can't imagine what they'd be looking for, or what would suffice for the 4th overall.

On one hand, this draft isn't really that great and 2/3-12 has been seen as pretty interchangeable. But yet there's a lot of value in being able to pick in that range and get the guy you like the most.

I'm not sure I'd part with a young surefire thing for a pick in that range that's already contributing at the NHL level like I'd imagine the Jackets will want. But then again, i have no idea what they need.