Value of: Jack Quinn to NJD

[Fjordy]

Sure he can get traded but it would be in a big trade.

Not necessarily, he looks very weird, it's the 7th goal in today's game... I didn't understand his emotions. Maybe something is going on there, who knows.

 

[BleedBlue14]

The kid torched the AHL. It seems like the issue is more that Buffalo has too many young forwards at the same time. Several of them are still finding their way, and it's easy for guys to lose their ice time and lose their rhythm.



There's a big gap between what Holtz and Kakko went for.

I’m sure it is easy to lose ice time and rhythm when there’s no base for the team.

I get that Quinn, Benson, Kulich etc all lit up juniors or the AHL. But there seems to be a pretty fundamental flaw in development. I just don’t think the trial by fire approach has worked too well for Buffalo. Seems as if there isn’t a big push internally to try and teach young players at lower levels once they enter the system the importance of a 200 foot game. Turns it into a bunch of independent contractors going out and seeing how many points they can put up.

 

[CowbellConray]

Quinn would be a 1 for 1 of a defenseman in a similar situation (Top 15 pick that has had ups and downs with their draft team) or a part of a package for an elite player.

And for anyone wondering about his mentality after not celebrating his goal last night - 1) It wasn't his goal it was deflected by Benson, 2) it was the 7th goal of the game and guys dont normally jump into the boards with a goal to make it 7-2 with a minute left and 3) He never really celebrates. He is a quiet player in a lot of ways.

 

[GCK]

Dont see Greig as s C and that + woukd not be little.

Greig’s future is at centre. There would be no +. No problem if you don’t think it’s a fair deal, I’m okay if the Sabres continue to be the Sabres.

 

[Chainshot]

Did you see his body language after the last goal of tonight's game? He looked crestfallen. Something seems wrong. Maybe just RBF, I don't know.

He and everyone else on the ice looked like they knew it was running up the score. Benson who deflected it in barely registered on his skate to the bench too. Seems like a lot of overreaction to people being mildly sportsmanlike.

I can't imagine it's an easy situation for Buffalo and Quinn - he is a scorer and they have better scorers already going on the scoring lines. He's been scratched a fair bit.

My Jackets might be a good spot for him, at least for this season. They have a lot of top six guys but too many are injured. There's a second line spot open, he could get a look there. I liked him a lot as a draft prospect.

He deserved to be scratched. Agree that something is off--not sure what his off-season preparation was this summer but he's not looked good until recently.

 

[Beerz]

Absolutely zero reason for Buffalo to trade Quinn unless he is in a deal for a Grade A player. This guy is immensely talented and had to deal with 2 horrific injuries last year...he got off to a slow start this year but his play has turned around and is becoming the Jack Quinn of old.

No thanks to whatever you're thinking.

 

[Djp]

I’m sure it is easy to lose ice time and rhythm when there’s no base for the team.

I get that Quinn, Benson, Kulich etc all lit up juniors or the AHL. But there seems to be a pretty fundamental flaw in development. I just don’t think the trial by fire approach has worked too well for Buffalo.

Someone who looks st names and night much else

Kulich is 20 and in his first ELC yr sgterc3 yrs sliding in AHL. This is not some rushob. Hes played well and earned it

Benson is 19 si its nhl pir WHL. He has played well in aspects of the game. Just many put up as many points

Quinn is in his last yr of ELC at 22 to start. 21/22 he was anhl rookie of yr iirc. 22_23 decent rookie season. Lsdt year he was injured for most of the season. This year he was in a slump. He was on s line with Cozens who also ok had AZ sd low start which didmt help

Seems as if there isn’t a big push internally to try and teach young players at lower levels once they enter the system the importance of a 200 foot game. Turns it into a bunch of independent contractors going out and seeing how many points they can put up.

Quinn would be a 1 for 1 of a defenseman in a similar situation (Top 15 pick that has had ups and downs with their draft team) or a part of a package for an elite player.

I generally agree. Not saying hed unavailable but it's not for some 30× on downside of career player

And for anyone wondering about his mentality after not celebrating his goal last night - 1) It wasn't his goal it was deflected by Benson, 2) it was the 7th goal of the game and guys dont normally jump into the boards with a goal to make it 7-2 with a minute left and 3) He never really celebrates. He is a quiet player in a lot of ways.

I agree this was benson deflection and the game was decided att 6-2 with a PP starting at 145 or so to go in the game. Most teams dont celebrate in these situations ok nd

 

[BleedBlue14]

Someone who looks st names and night much else

Kulich is 20 and in his first ELC yr sgterc3 yrs sliding in AHL. This is not some rushob. Hes played well and earned it

Benson is 19 si its nhl pir WHL. He has played well in aspects of the game. Just many put up as many points

Quinn is in his last yr of ELC at 22 to start. 21/22 he was anhl rookie of yr iirc. 22_23 decent rookie season. Lsdt year he was injured for most of the season. This year he was in a slump. He was on s line with Cozens who also ok had AZ sd low start which didmt help





I generally agree. Not saying hed unavailable but it's not for some 30× on downside of career player


I agree this was benson deflection and the game was decided att 6-2 with a PP starting at 145 or so to go in the game. Most teams dont celebrate in these situations ok nd

Great, then what's the issue in Buffalo? This is a 10+ year situation of drafting high very good prospects but not being able to put things together and make the playoffs.

You can't continually keep drafting top 10 prospects in the draft and point towards slumps etc.

I'm assuming you aren't down on their drafting - you are pointing towards these being really good players, which i don't disagree with.

I don't know how many coaches you can go through and say its a coaching issue.

The most evident thing that I see from the outside is they continually push young guys into their NHL lineup after producing at lower levels quickly. But they're putting them into a system without much of a base. Look at a guy like Krebs. It appears to me that he didn't have the offensive upside relative to draft position so they're throwing him to the wolves in a defensive heavy situation. Most teams have veterans or core pieces that are in that role that are successful. Not 22-25 year olds who have never had to do that at the junior levels. How do you fix that?

You can't just continually point to slow starts or youth getting their feet wet when there's never any retention of the youth once they hit the 24-26 age range and ask to move on for one reason or another.

 

[PAZ]

How so, honest question. Because they are playing him?

Ya mainly this along with PP1 time. Maybe it's simply to get him going and build up his confidence,

 

[Zman5778]

Great, then what's the issue in Buffalo?

I don't think you have the time for me/us to go through all of them.

I think the best way to answer that question is this: Yes.

 

[tsujimoto74]

If he can be had for cheap

He can't.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Love the idea here but I think the price likely isn't worth the risk.

 

[HBK27]

Love the idea here but I think the price likely isn't worth the risk.

Yeah, not a deal to be made here. Devils need a more established player versus taking a risk on upside and Buffalo has to be very, very weary of trading away a prospect that could flourish elsewhere. Doubt Quinn gets moved.

 

[toddkaz]

How is Nemec looking? I saw one poster say Nemec for Quinn.

Nemec is a righty which Buffalo can use and is the 2nd overall pick in 2022 but other than that I don't know what kind of development he has.

 

[Djp]

Great, then what's the issue in Buffalo? This is a 10+ year situation of drafting high very good prospects but not being able to put things together and make the playoffs.

Different gms and they traded Eichel et all. I focused on the players they acquired , had in system, and drafted since 2021

You can't continually keep drafting top 10 prospects in the draft and point towards slumps etc.

I'm assuming you aren't down on their drafting - you are pointing towards these being really good players, which i don't disagree with.

I'm not trading them for crap.

Yes in summers 26'29 you can see trades made including for futures. Not now.

I don't know how many coaches you can go through and say its a coaching issue.

The most evident thing that I see from the outside is they continually push young guys into their NHL lineup after producing at lower levels quickly. But they're putting them into a system without much of a base. Look at a guy like Krebs. It appears to me that he didn't have the offensive upside relative to draft position so they're throwing him to the wolves in a defensive heavy situation.

the young players had some slumps but they can turn it around

Most teams have veterans or core pieces that are in that role that are successful. Not 22-25 year olds who have never had to do that at the junior levels. How do you fix that?

You can't just continually point to slow starts or youth getting their feet wet when there's never any retention of the youth once they hit the 24-26 age range and ask to move on for one reason or another.

You dont need a 30+ age team. Age dies not matter. its years of nhl experience.

8 of the 23 are veterans, a few other are 25+ or have 5+ yrs of nhl experience

This year its bern morr mental/ confidence and a PP that hasnt fone well.

They have had 8 games where they had a 3rd period lead and left with 0 or 1 pts. Its about 12 missed points there. Another 5 or thry were tied in 4rd periid and left with 0 points. About 10 others they were down by 1g in the 4rd eith an 0-3+ on the PP. It's about small margins ejivj cones back to confidence.

That's wh as t I would describe is going on with washington where they as re above expectations ( both nhl and nfl teams)

 

[HBK27]

How is Nemec looking? I saw one poster say Nemec for Quinn.

Nemec is a righty which Buffalo can use and is the 2nd overall pick in 2022 but other than that I don't know what kind of development he has.

He looked good last year in NJ (playing 60 games) before slowing down a bit towards the end of the season.

This season he got injured just before the start of training camp and did not look that good in his 9 games - though he was also pairing with another rookie in Seamus Casey. Took him a while to find his game again in the AHL (possibly as he was still not fully healthy), but has been very good the past few weeks playing around a PPG pace and was rightfully named to the AHL All-Star game. He now has 19 points in 29 games in the AHL.

It's more a numbers game currently that he's not in NJ. Kovacevic was supposed to be the 7th defenseman but took advantage of his opportunity early in the season when Hughes and Pesce were out with injuries and has just run with it, forming perhaps the best shutdown pair in the league this season with Siegenthaler. Since Hughes and Pesce returned to the lineup, none of the Devils 6 defenders have missed a game - at 43 games and counting - so it made more sense to have Nemec continue to develop in Utica versus being up with the big club, though he would've been the first call-up had there been an injury.

I think Nemec has more value than Quinn at this point, especially being 2 1/2 years younger. I don't see any way he's not in the league full-time next season - either with NJ letting Kovacevic walk, trading Hamilton or trading Nemec (with the most likely scenarios in that order).

 

[SECRET SQUIRREL]

Quinn snapped his achilles last off-season while training and then had another injury just a few weeks after he came off IR. This season, it honestly looked like he lost a bunch of muscle mass, especially in his legs. I even joked that they looked like toothpicks. Maybe he was afraid of getting hurt again while training, who knows. He's finally started playing better the last month or so and isn't getting knocked on his ass 20 times a game now. I would only consider trading him for one of Nemec or Casey, no interest otherwise.

 

[n8]

Trade for LA’s prospect Jack Hughes. Maximum chaos.

The Rangers have a Riley Hughes we can donate to the cause

 

[BleedBlue14]

Different gms and they traded Eichel et all. I focused on the players they acquired , had in system, and drafted since 2021


I'm not trading them for crap.

Yes in summers 26'29 you can see trades made including for futures. Not now.


the young players had some slumps but they can turn it around


You dont need a 30+ age team. Age dies not matter. its years of nhl experience.

8 of the 23 are veterans, a few other are 25+ or have 5+ yrs of nhl experience

This year its bern morr mental/ confidence and a PP that hasnt fone well.

They have had 8 games where they had a 3rd period lead and left with 0 or 1 pts. Its about 12 missed points there. Another 5 or thry were tied in 4rd periid and left with 0 points. About 10 others they were down by 1g in the 4rd eith an 0-3+ on the PP. It's about small margins ejivj cones back to confidence.

That's wh as t I would describe is going on with washington where they as re above expectations ( both nhl and nfl teams)

Often times what you’re pointing at is what makes bad teams bad and good teams good.

It’s hard to have the confidence when you don’t have the experience of winning/belief/know how.

I know and I agree it’s not a skill issue in Buffalo, it definitely shouldn’t be. Zucker wasn’t a bad start but he hasn’t been past the 2nd round of the playoffs and he’s had a really long career.

It takes a really special type of young player/core to be able to learn how to win at the NHL level and be a professional and that’s not pointing towards skill or ability.

Buffalos system/process is continually wasting good young players by not having a culture in place. Sure there’s been some mismanagement in there but every franchise has that. The good ones generally have a culture though of winning.

 

[Djp]

Often times what you’re pointing at is what makes bad teams bad and good teams good.

It’s hard to have the confidence when you don’t have the experience of winning/belief/know how.

I know and I agree it’s not a skill issue in Buffalo, it definitely shouldn’t be. Zucker wasn’t a bad start but he hasn’t been past the 2nd round of the playoffs and he’s had a really long career.

It takes a really special type of young player/core to be able to learn how to win at the NHL level and be a professional and that’s not pointing towards skill or ability.

apply your same logic to the blues team that won the cup?