Speculation: Jack Eichel thread

[Doug Prishpreed]

"Buffalo's ask is:
2022 First round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick, Sean Monahan, Connor Zary & one of Dillon Dube or Andrew Mangiapane.

Calgary is likely, though just speculation trying:
2022 First round (protected), 2022 Second round Pick, Sean Monahan, Connor Zary/Jakob Pelletier and one of Juuso Valimaki or Oliver Kylington"

Frankly Buffalo is absolutely stupid for saying no to what Calgary is offering. Monahan, Pelletier/Zary, Valimaki, a lottery protected 1st and a 2nd for Eichel is a really damn solid haul for them. Insisting on being greedy despite how long this shitshow has gone is a really bad look for them.

But I also still think Monahan has some value right now, if that's not the case, I don't think it's as good as what I was initially thinking.

Even if Monahan only gets Buffalo a 3rd rounder at the deadline, that still seems like a fair deal considering the circumstances. 1st and Zary are what make the deal work, and they're in both proposals; the rest is just relatively minor details.

If this is truly how close they are, we should all hopefully expect this nightmare to be over soon.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I wouldn't mind Andersson on the right side. Not sure how Flames fans value him relative to Hanifin/Valimaki though.

There is zero chance either of our top pair dmen are available. Calgary cant be subtracting for an important position to acquire Eichel. The goal is to stay competitive after acquiring Eichel, let him heal, then be a competitor come playoff time. Not gut the current roster and go well below .500 while he's recovering.

A way more likely deal would be around Monahan + Zary as the base, Zadorov for cap reasons, then 2 conditional 1sts (1 with much lighter conditions than the other, like 50% games played next year)

 

[TehDoak]

In his press conference at the beginning of camp, Adams said they had wanted to use time as a therapy, and now had clarity that surgery was an option.

Adams is a very political/safe speaker and he comes out with phrasing designed to protect the club.

Everyone involved knew that surgery was needed going back to June.

 

[Castle8130]

any update on this bum?

 

[BloFan4Life]

any update on this bum?

Sabres price went up after seeing the results of Seth Jones trade. An Eichel on LTIR would be better for a team than Seth Jones. At least he isn't costing the team goals.

 

[Castle8130]

Sabres price went up after seeing the results of Seth Jones trade. An Eichel on LTIR would be better for a team than Seth Jones. At least he isn't costing the team goals.

Shots fired. A little cranky today?

 

[DJJones]

From a Calgary perspective I'd be fine with this;

2022 First round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick, Sean Monahan, and Connor Zary

Dube, Mangiapane, or Valimaki on top of that is rough though. We need those guys to make the playoffs without Eichel.

 

[Mobiandi]

@Volica is Tkachuk firmly off the table now/ok being in Calgary now? Or is it semi-contingent on Eichel coming here

 

[Dr Quincy]

Friedman thinks a grievance may be coming: Jack Eichel could file grievance if situation with Sabres isn't resolved

However, MOU states medical grievances have to be filled within 60 days:



Unless something new came to light on the medical front within the last 60 days. grievance boat may have sailed. Unless a grievance is filled on other than medical grounds?

Could be argued(by Team Eichel, not saying I agree) that the 60 days began when he failed his intake video.

 

[Daz28]

Probably within 60 days of him failing his camp physical. You can't use the vague summer months where the Sabres were trying rest and rehab and who knows what was being said between them

Look at the wording though, "sixty (60) days from the date of the incident or event upon which the Complaint is based,"

Eichel's camp will argue the complaint is based on the date of the physical, but it seems it would be easy for the Sabres to just say it is based on the 'date of the incident'. That seems like a legit legal counter-argument to me.

 

[treple13]

From a Calgary perspective I'd be fine with this;

2022 First round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick, Sean Monahan, and Connor Zary

Dube, Mangiapane, or Valimaki on top of that is rough though. We need those guys to make the playoffs without Eichel.

Yeah I think that's basically what I'm willing to give up. Monahan almost certainly needs to go to a third team though, as it might be tough to get him to accept going to Buffalo

 

[DavidBL]

Look at the wording though, "sixty (60) days from the date of the incident or event upon which the Complaint is based,"

Eichel's camp will argue the complaint is based on the date of the physical, but it seems it would be easy for the Sabres to just say it is based on the 'date of the incident'. That seems like a legit legal counter-argument to me.

I imagine its based one when he was declared unfit to play during his physical and further medical care hasn't been given.

 

[Daz28]

I imagine its based one when he was declared unfit to play during his physical and further medical care hasn't been given.

I found this quote from Eichel's agent, which probably ends up hurting their case, because it shows that at that point they were certain and knew that the Sabres were in diasgreement at that point.

“A further point of concern is that our camp was initially under the impression that the Sabres specialist was in agreement with the Artificial Disc Replacement surgery until it was no longer the case.”

Just my personal opinion, but the greivance based on the physical is a weak argument. They had obviously been discussing the proper treatment long before that.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

From a Calgary perspective I'd be fine with this;

2022 First round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick, Sean Monahan, and Connor Zary

Dube, Mangiapane, or Valimaki on top of that is rough though. We need those guys to make the playoffs without Eichel.

You might have to take out Monahan then, who Buffalo doesn't need, and who won't want to be traded there anyway.

Zary, 2022 1st, 2023 1st (w/ conditions) for Eichel. Seems fair to me.

But if any other salary needs to come back to Buffalo in the deal, you have to add more to get them to do that, even if you think they have value at the deadline. Taylor Hall barely got Buffalo a 2nd rounder last year, so nothing they take back is guaranteed to be worth squat at the deadline.

 

[Gabrielor]

If Calgary gets Jack, I hope they destroy VGK and ANA for the next decade, for not having the courage to give up a prospect that a healthy Jack would require 2-3 of.

 

[Static]

If Calgary gets Jack, I hope they destroy VGK and ANA for the next decade, for not having the courage to give up a prospect that a healthy Jack would require 2-3 of.

Kind of seems like you're upset if you don't get Krebs/zegras/Drysdale.

 

[bsu]

If Calgary gets Jack, I hope they destroy VGK and ANA for the next decade, for not having the courage to give up a prospect that a healthy Jack would require 2-3 of.

In the next decade? Good luck.

 

[Daz28]

I found the rest of the quote from his agent. It clearly shows that they were in disagreement, and that the greivance should have been filed then on July 30th:

The process is not working. As previously stated, we fully anticipated a trade by the start of the NHL free agency period. After the agreed upon and prescribed period for conservative rehabilitation lapsed in early June 2021, it was determined by the Sabres medical staff that a surgical procedure was required. The recommendation by Jack’s independent neurosurgeon, other spine specialists consulted, and the surgery Jack feels most comfortable having in order to correct a herniated disc in his neck is to proceed with Artificial Disc Replacement surgery. A further point of concern is that our camp was initially under the impression that the Sabres specialist was in agreement with the Artificial Disc Replacement surgery until that was no longer the case.
What is being left out of the discussion is that Jack would be able to play in the NHL for the start of the season pending medical clearance if he were allowed to have the surgery he desires even as of this date. Repeated requests have been made to the Sabres since early June to no avail. This process is stopping Jack from playing in the NHL and it is not working. — Peter Fish & Peter Donatelli

Seems cut and dried to me. I can't imagine a judge looking at that, and saying things were unsettled on the day of the physical. This is why you keep your mouth shut, because a big mouth always bites you in court.

 

[ohcomeonref]

If Calgary gets Jack, I hope they destroy VGK and ANA for the next decade, for not having the courage to give up a prospect that a healthy Jack would require 2-3 of.

Translation: I'm salty Vegas and Anaheim weren't dumb enough to give up blue chip assets for an unknown/broken asset.

 

[DJJones]

You might have to take out Monahan then, who Buffalo doesn't need, and who won't want to be traded there anyway.

Zary, 2022 1st, 2023 1st (w/ conditions) for Eichel. Seems fair to me.

But if any other salary needs to come back to Buffalo in the deal, you have to add more to get them to do that, even if you think they have value at the deadline. Taylor Hall barely got Buffalo a 2nd rounder last year, so nothing they take back is guaranteed to be worth squat at the deadline.

Well ya Salary needs to come back. Don't think any team can make this work without salary going back. Depending on LITR works out might even have to get rid of someone else as well. Right now Zadorov is looking like the odd man out but should be able to be flipped at the deadline.

But I'd take your trade though, we should be able to flip Monahan for more than a a 2023 first to another team. He's not going to want to be pushed even further down the line up.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well ya Salary needs to come back. Don't think any team can make this work without salary going back. Depending on LITR works out might even have to get rid of someone else as well. Right now Zadorov is looking like the odd man out but should be able to be flipped at the deadline.

But I'd take your trade though, we should be able to flip Monahan for more than a a 2023 first to another team. He's not going to want to be pushed even further down the line up.

I think if that were the case he'd have been traded already

 

[DJJones]

I think if that were the vase he'd have been traded already

Why? Without Eichel coming back that's a horrible trade for Calgary. A first from a contender isn't worth much.

Much better off seeing if he can get healthy. A healthy monahan is worth significantly more than a late 1st.

But if we get Eichel who cares

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Would toronto do Eichel for Nylander + small cap dump?

 

[Dietpepsi]

This thread still going on? I'm a Sabres fan and starting not to care. I don't see anything changing for quite a while. Sabres don't want to budge on surgery or return, and teams not willing to to meet that return.

If I was Jack I'd just get the surgery, then what? Can sabres sue Jack? Would they release him (no) ..

At least we won't be trading him + 3 unprotected 1st round draft picks for Marner

 

[Zach716]

Would toronto do Eichel for Nylander + small cap dump?

Nope, and Toronto shouldn’t be looking to move a good value contract for an even more top heavy offense. They can’t afford to do it.