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Jack Eichel is quietly becoming a top-5 player in the league

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ORRFForever said:
He sure did last night.

Truth be told, I have watched 10+ times more Matthews games than Eichel, but Matthews dogs it a LOT. Not physical, no back check, terrible defensively, overpaid.

Maybe you guys feel the same way about Eichel but, last night, he sure was great.
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I agree that Matthews dogs it, is lazy, plays no defense, etc. But the dude scores goals as he's getting out of bed. He's so good at scoring goals and that means production. Granted he has no playmaking ability and doesn't make his teammates better, but he is great at producing.

Eichel is right there with him production wise. He just gets minimal help. Last 2 games Toronto has what? 10 goals? And Matthews has zero points? I don't think it's possible for Sabres to score 10 goals without Eichel getting a point.

Anyway, I enjoy watching both players.
 
Quiet Jack said:
I agree that Matthews dogs it, is lazy, plays no defense, etc. But the dude scores goals as he's getting out of bed. He's so good at scoring goals and that means production. Granted he has no playmaking ability and doesn't make his teammates better, but he is great at producing.

Eichel is right there with him production wise. He just gets minimal help. Last 2 games Toronto has what? 10 goals? And Matthews has zero points? I don't think it's possible for Sabres to score 10 goals without Eichel getting a point.

Anyway, I enjoy watching both players.
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Well said.
 
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Sasso09 said:
There's easily more than 10 players in the league better. No offense to Jack, he's great.
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No one in the NHL this year has had the puck on their stick more in the offensive zone this season then Eichel. (On a bad buffalo team)

-1st in offensive zone possession in the entire NHL (30:20)

-3rd in the nhl in zone entries 188

-1st in the nhl in end to end rushes (64)

He’s fifth in goals, 7th in points and top ten in assists. This season that suggests he been a borderline if not a direct top 5 player, but it’s all good I’m just happy if he’s a top 20 player.

He’s plus five , 16 goals 19 assists and has over 220 points in his last 210 games with awful injuries in that time.

He’s on a 9 game point streak (14 points)

Players ahead of him like Mackinnon he has. Better career Points per game, same with Barkov.

He has a case and even if he’s not in the top ten it’s certainly not easy. He was the only player in the top 25 last year to have no one else on his team even break 65 points yet he got 82 despite missing a couple weeks. The years before 57 in 61 and 64 in 67. The guy would have had a few seasons around 80 and probably
90 last year without the missed games and this year on pace for high 90s. He did all that with two sprained ankles and constantly playing the best defenders.

He would have easily more points with competent teammates. (Can’t tell you how many missed easy chances on his line) He is dominant and one of the best players in the league. There’s just no denying this. At all. No mater how many easilys someone once to write.


Edit- lol guy below just called me a meme On this site and I post no facts even though I just posted a ton and have been here since 04. But im a Meme. Ok. Again it’s shallow to insult a guy because you don’t like the facts presented.
 
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TheJackAttack said:
Thanks to hockey night in Canada for the awesome information just below in this post.




I don’t know about easily being more then ten better then Eichel.

No one in the NHL has had the puck on their stick more in the offensive zone this season then Eichel. (On a bad buffalo team)

-1st in offensive zone possession in the entire NHL (30:20)

-3rd in the nhl in zone entries 188

-1st in the nhl in end to end rushes (64)

He’s fifth in goals, 7th in points and too ten in assists.

He’s plus five , 16 goals 18 assists and has o ear 220 points in his last ten games

He’s in a 8 game point streak (13 points)

Players ahead of him like Mackinnon he has. Better career Points per game, same with Barkov.

He has a case
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And why does this matter when we're talking about the top 10 players right now? It's also .94 vs .92 over their careers so it's a pretty weak argument.

Eichel needs a season or two over 90 points before he goes top 10.

Are you also going to bring up the speed skating contest at the all star game as if it has any significance whatsoever?
 
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Tralfamadore said:
And why does this matter when we're talking about the top 10 players right now?

Eichel needs a season or two over 90 points before he goes top 10.
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Uh I just posted a ton of reasons why. I’m not just a stat checker who doesent watch him play, I listed facts. No one has the puck more on their stick in the offensive zone then Eichel. His own end? No one has more end to end rushes then Eichel. He’s also third in o zone entries and top five in goals and points 7th.

Why wouldn’t him being first in those categories matter to being a top player in today’s game? He has to carry an entire team against the best defenders every shift while putting up those extremely elite numbers. It’s not just as easy as just looking at his total points without watching him play.

ALl the numbers I posted this season above point to him being actually being top five player (as I just posted the numbers above for those interested) let alone top ten but if you don’t like him I guess it’s cool to think this ways without facts. (I’m not saying he’s top five I’m just saying he’s top 7 in basically every category)


Edit- I can see why you deleted the post I quoted. Or want it deleted I answered the question, before you even asked it which is showing me you didn’t read the post just like you don’t watch Eichel. All good.
 
McDavid
Draisaitl
Ovechkin
Crosby
MacKinnon
Marchand
Pastrnak
Kane
Kucherov
Panarin

I'm definitely not comfortable putting Eichel ahead of any of these players. Not today at least and those are just the forwards...
 
Snippit said:
It’s close I think. Panarin is one of the most underrated stars in the league.

At least, he tears it up whenever he plays Buffalo.
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No he’s absolutely one of the best wingers in the league, it’s definitely close
 
Snippit said:
It’s close I think. Panarin is one of the most underrated stars in the league.

At least, he tears it up whenever he plays Buffalo.
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I watch him all the time. Eichel is on a different level physically
 
Tralfamadore said:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Ovechkin
Crosby
MacKinnon
Marchand
Pastrnak
Kane
Kucherov
Panarin

I'm definitely not comfortable putting Eichel ahead of any of these players. Not today at least and those are just the forwards...
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I'm pretty comfortable putting him ahead of Panarin and Pastrnak. Would also take him over Crosby if I have to decide who I want on my team more.
 
OvechkinTooth said:
I'm pretty comfortable putting him ahead of Panarin and Pastrnak. Would also take him over Crosby if I have to decide who I want on my team more.
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I'd also put him ahead of both or at least very close. Then again, I might consider taking Barkov or Rantanen ahead of Eichel. So, he's probably a borderline top-10 forward in the game. He's not a top-10 player though.
 
Plural said:
I'd also put him ahead of both or at least very close. Then again, I might consider taking Barkov or Rantanen ahead of Eichel. So, he's probably a borderline top-10 forward in the game. He's not a top-10 player though.
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Rantanen is a fantastic player but except for Kane and Kucherov and maybe Marchand (not sure about him but really like his game too) I don't see currently a winger who has a case for being called a top-10 player although Rantanen is right there, on the bubble. Eichel is legit underrated on these boards, especially given how much talk and buzz gets his buddy Matthews who absolutely is not a top-10 player. Among defensemen I'd say that only Carlson and Hedman in the conversation and that's it.
 
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OvechkinTooth said:
Rantanen is a fantastic player but except for Kane and Kucherov and maybe Marchand (not sure about him but really like his game too) I don't see currently a winger who has a case for being called a top-10 player although Rantanen is right there, on the bubble. Eichel is legit underrated on these boards, especially given how much talk and buzz gets his buddy Matthews who absolutely is not a top-10 player. Among defensemen I'd say that only Carlson and Hedman in the conversation and that's it.
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Matthews and Eichel are about as comparable as they come, it’s pretty foolish to claim one is a top 10 player and the other absolutely is not. Maybe through a select 20 game stretch, but certainly not over their careers.
 
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Hustlr said:
Matthews and Eichel are about as comparable as they come, it’s pretty foolish to claim one is a top 10 player and the other absolutely is not. Maybe through a select 20 game stretch, but certainly not over their careers.
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Matthews is a talented goal scorer. That's about it when you talk about anything that stands out in his game in a positive way. He doesn't impact an overall game of his team nearly as much as Eichel does. Anyone who pays attention can see that.
 
OvechkinTooth said:
Matthews is a talented goal scorer. That's about it when you talk about anything that stands out in his game in a positive way. He doesn't impact an overall game of his team nearly as much as Eichel does. Anyone who pays attention can see that.
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I'd still give quite the amount of respect for his scoring prowess. It's true that he's not as visibly impactful player as Eichel but when Matthews has the puck in the opponents end it's electrifying. He's one of the most talented goal-scorers in the game and for me it holds a lot of weight.
 
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Plural said:
I'd still give quite the amount of respect for his scoring prowess. It's true that he's not as visibly impactful player as Eichel but when Matthews has the puck in the opponents end it's electrifying. He's one of the most talented goal-scorers in the game and for me it holds a lot of weight.
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The Caps have the best goal scorer probably ever so I agree, having that kind of talent is a big plus. However Ovechkin does not impact the teams game as guys like Kuzy or even Carlson. If the latter two both on then okay cool but if they are not the team often becomes nearly unwatchable. Ovechkin scores here and there, maybe the team even wins the game but the aftertaste is like you just wasted your time and could have just watched the highlights.
 
stokes84 said:
He’s no. 2. There is only one player on earth better than him. Too bad he’s on such an island in comparison to everyone else.
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Top 10 forward? Ok, while I might quibble a little with that, it's defensible.

#2?

Get real
 
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