Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov

[majormajor]

The sad thing is he's better than Severson. Jarmo made that bed and we have to lie in it.

Rare opinion, I know, but I don't think Provorov has outplayed Severson this year. Severson has been very good most games.

 

[Xoggz22]

The way I look at it is that the CBJ have only one slot left for a big money/top 4 defenseman. Z and Severson take two of these slots. Mateychuk has a very good chance to be number 3. So the decision would be "do we want/need to commit to Provorov for 7 years at around $7 million/year"?

My answer to my question would be "no". Nothing wrong with kicking the tires and trying to get him to sign a lower money 3 or 4 year deal, but this is going to be his last big contract and it's highly unlikely that he'd bite. I sure wouldn't if I were in his shoes.

Our overall defense isn't at the level where there should be no/little room to obtain another good/large contract dman. Provorov doesn't fit the bill to me to fill the 4th slot. His play this year has been pretty good-but that's a common happening in a "contract year".

The CBJ will be best served by trading him for assets at the TDL, IMO.

I think the big decision on this is how LONG the contract needs to be. If they could get Provo for 3-4 years extended, I would do that in a heartbeat. Would give him one more contract after that to get premium pay and that would be about the time we'd have to actually pay Mateychuk. I personally don't want a 7 year deal with 5 more years of Severson after this one. Now, I guess if they could move on from Severson in another 2-3 years that might be workable. I'm just not sure those pieces are good enough to make us cup contenders.

 

[CBJ goalie]

Alright, what are the chances Provorov stays.a Blue Jacket after this season?

 

[stevo61]

Alright, what are the chances Provorov stays.a Blue Jacket after this season?

Probably low. I think he wants it but I doubt Waddell does at the $ he'll ask for

 

[CBJ goalie]

This (Provorov and Severson) reminds me of the Beam and Boqvist debacle, couldn't decide which one to keep until they let them both go.....

 

[stevo61]

This (Provorov and Severson) reminds me of the Beam and Boqvist debacle, couldn't decide which one to keep until they let them both go.....

except Provorov and Severson are both significantly better than Bean and Boqvist. That and Severson has a longterm deal

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Alright, what are the chances Provorov stays.a Blue Jacket after this season?

10%. Short of some major discount I think Waddell will take his first round pick and try to be really active in swinging for a different type of defenseman in the summer

 

[EspenK]

One guys bolld predictionw

In a go-for-it move, the Utah Hockey Club — which has endured difficult injuries on the back end — will kick off trade deadline season by dipping into its ample stack of futures and dealing for defenceman Ivan Provorov from the Columbus Blue Jackets.

 

[ViD]

One guys bolld predictionw

In a go-for-it move, the Utah Hockey Club — which has endured difficult injuries on the back end — will kick off trade deadline season by dipping into its ample stack of futures and dealing for defenceman Ivan Provorov from the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Utah first even top 5 protected for Provorov would be a major haul

 

[punk_o_holic]

Utah first even top 5 protected for Provorov would be a major haul

I wonder if we can get Utah and Vancouver get into a bidding war. Vancouver defense looks rough without Hughes and Hronek.

 

[Xoggz22]

10%. Short of some major discount I think Waddell will take his first round pick and try to be really active in swinging for a different type of defenseman in the summer

Is 10% the discount or do you only agree with 10% of his post?

 

[NotWendell]

4x5 for Provorov would be a good contract.

Is 10% the discount or do you only agree with 10% of his post?

I wonder if we could get 25% off if we used a promo code? What if we left his contract in our shopping cart and went to another player's website?

 

[majormajor]

Utah first even top 5 protected for Provorov would be a major haul

I would assume that's not on the table. No picks before #20 are likely in play - if we're dealing with Utah then we'd be getting a prospect like Duda or a 2nd + 3rd type of trade.

And FWIW I'm fine with those 2nd+3rd type of trades, if that's what we get for Provy then that's fine. Take a couple swings.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Jackets and Provorov​

My understanding is that Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Don Waddell and defenseman Ivan Provorov’s agent, Mark Gandler, had a chat last week and agreed to talk again soon.

The pending unrestricted free agent is very open to signing an extension with Columbus. At least at the outset of these talks, there’s a mutual desire to see if there’s a way to get something done.

But I also think that Provorov, who turned 28 last week, will be seeking a maximum eight-year contract extension. I’m not convinced the Jackets would be comfortable with that, in part because of what they have coming up the pipeline. Provorov is earning $6.75 million this season and obviously will also be looking for a raise given the rising salary cap and his importance on the team. Provorov is second on the team in ice time behind only Norris Trophy contender Zach Werenski.

Which is also why there are several Cup contenders keeping an eye on where this is headed.

If the sides can’t agree to an extension as we get closer to March 7, and if the Jackets get a first-round pick offered for Provorov, I believe they would prioritize the bigger picture and deal him regardless of where they are in the standings and playoff race.

But again, both sides appear to have good intentions as their dialogue begins on a possible extension.

 

[S1N4TR4]

i’m 100 percent an advocate for ‘trade provy, don’t re-sign him’.

 

[CBJx614]

Dunno the validity

 

[majormajor]

Dunno the validity

It's just a rephrase of Lebrun's article. Not a different report.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I'm pro signing Provorov. 8 years though? No thanks.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I'm pro signing Provorov. 8 years though? No thanks.

Well, that's the price of unrestricted free agency and the CBA when it comes down to it since no other team can offer an 8 year. Paying him big money when he's 36 is not ideal but how many of these deal signed at this age make it that far with the team that signed him.

If he can help us be cup contenders in the next 4-5 years do it and deal with those 2 years later. Other teams do it all the time. I'm not concerned with a cap hit 5-6 years down the road. I'm more concerned with winning before that time and I think he fits in with what is going on right now.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I'm pro signing Provorov. 8 years though? No thanks.

To even consider it, it would have to be a team friendly AAV. Which I don't anticipate.

I think Provorov is getting traded

 

[majormajor]

If he can help us be cup contenders in the next 4-5 years do it and deal with those 2 years later. Other teams do it all the time. I'm not concerned with a cap hit 5-6 years down the road. I'm more concerned with winning before that time and I think he fits in with what is going on right now.

I buy the logic of what you're saying and I'd support 8 year deals for the right player. But I don't think Provorov is quite good enough to justify it. He's a solid step below that level of player for me.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I buy the logic of what you're saying and I'd support 8 year deals for the right player. But I don't think Provorov is quite good enough to justify it. He's a solid step below that level of player for me.

So who in your mind is a solid and gettable player that fits that mold and do they have to be under the age of 24 so such a deal expires early in their downturn?

The issue is anyone would could get and don't already have will either be young and cost a lot in trade and/or money, be older into their UFA years wanting career stability, or on the downturn of their career already coming off of their career contract.

He might not be worth 8 years but I think he could be worth 6 years and then the remaining 2 years get passed on to someone else down the line. It would be much easier if Jarmo didn't get that type of deal to Severson but I think Provorov is worth more than him.

 

[majormajor]

So who in your mind is a solid and gettable player that fits that mold and do they have to be under the age of 24 so such a deal expires early in their downturn?

The D upgrades we can get probably won't be that young. I've made peace with that. Rasmus Andersson is 28, I don't want to give him 8 years but I would if I had to.

The issue is anyone would could get and don't already have will either be young and cost a lot in trade and/or money, be older into their UFA years wanting career stability, or on the downturn of their career already coming off of their career contract.

He might not be worth 8 years but I think he could be worth 6 years and then the remaining 2 years get passed on to someone else down the line.

I'm not giving Provorov 8 years, and that's already with the full understanding that these deals can often be moved in the last couple years. I'm factoring that in and saying I wouldn't do it.

It would be much easier if Jarmo didn't get that type of deal to Severson but I think Provorov is worth more than him.

I don't think he is. Similar value players for me and I don't like 8 year deals for either of them.

 

[CBJ goalie]

I'm ok with Provorov with an 8 year contract, as long as the AAV is friendly.

 

[koteka]

Provorov is in a contract year. Of course he is playing better now compared to the last few years when he looked like he didn’t give a crap about hockey. Would you sign last season Provorov for 8 years? Because that is what you’d be getting. Be glad he is playing better this season so we can recoup the assets we gave up for him. Let some other team make the mistake of over paying him and giving him too much term.

I buy the logic of what you're saying and I'd support 8 year deals for the right player. But I don't think Provorov is quite good enough to justify it. He's a solid step below that level of player for me.

This year he is at least two steps below the level of player I want. The Provorov we saw last season (and the Provorov Philadelphia gave up on) is about five steps below the level of player I want.

I am a big fan of defense and have been complaining about our defense for years. Provorov is not the answer.