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A Man of the people. Can't wait to see him backadou next season and destroying the leaguedou!
They certainly weren't reading HFHabs where there was a loud NO from a healthy portion of our base.
He always had a far better base starting with his incredible skating. I still remember an amazing goal he scored in the Worlds before his rookie season. It was the type of goal Bedard will never score because it required jets as the starting block. Connor Bedard has amazing instincts but I don't think he can execute them at a rate that will be overwhelming in the NHL.
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Fantilli has more and better tools compared to Bedard. His game translated well to NHL.
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Call me crazy but I don’t think Bedard ends up in the top 3 from his draft class tbh, very underwhelming player
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He's on an island in Chicago and just scored 61 in 68 and 67 in 82 before he's 20. Very underwhelming is pretty harsh, thats top 15 in NHL history before reaching 20.
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I’ve been wrong many times and am open to being wrong about this too
Is he on that much of an Island?
His #1D until the deadline is now #1 in ice time for the defending cup champs...
He had veteran forward support better than many other bottom feeders...
I'd agree that he's been very good as opposed to underwhelming for a player his age in general... But for a player that was heralded as "the next one", he's fallen far short of that type of description.
Will be interesting to see how the next 2-3 years go. For now he's far more "Bobby Ryan" than "Sidney Crosby"
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This was Crosby's team in his rookie year. This team finished last in their division and got the 2nd OA pick (Jordan Stasl). Very reminiscent of Chicago last season who finished last in their division and got the 2OA pick (Levshunov).
Im not here saying Bedard is rrash but he's definitely not generational. I was on here saying so back in 2023 calling him this next generations Patty Kane. Crosby had such a shitty team and still showed out his rookie year. Bedard just isn't that guy.
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The second leading scorer on his team is Donato, who had a 31 point career high before this year. Its not better than many other bottom feeders and only 5 teams in the league scored less, but by only 1 to 16 goals (sharks). He's on an island there, like Celebrini.
Nobody is Crosby in any case. Crosby has the most U20 points in history and I saw Bedard more as a Patrick Kane type prospect personally and talked about him as a reasonable bet at being a top 20 scorer. Crosby, however, remains by far the best pre-draft prospect and best 18 year old NHLer I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Bedard is still 13th in history. Its definitely not underwhelming. Ryan wasn't an NHLer at that age.
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I didn't call him generational in the post you're responding to or before. Like you, I saw him as a Kane-type prospect due to his lack of size and skating. I don't find he's anywhere near Crosby, who remains the best 18 and 19 year old I've ever watched play (and 16 and 17 year old).
The post I was responding to called him very underwhelming, I find its a tough opinion to support. He's top 15 in history for points before 20.
celibrini had a much better season overall than Bedard, despite being a rookie and not nearly as hyped as Bedard was... That's kinda the point.
Again, no argument that Bedard isn't an outstanding young player. But it I think it fair to say he has underwhelmed vis-a-vis the category of prospect he was announced as.
McDavid was pretty Crosby-esque, as was Ovie, Malkin, perhaps even Makar on d. That's the class of talent Bedard was put in...
At this stage, Bedard isn't keeping up with Kane's early pace, but I'd agree that's looking like a good ceiling comparison
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Your premise is around the next one label, which I always viewed as a wrong premise, even pre-draft as I saw him as a Kane level prospect who had a good chance to be a top 20 scorer in the league. Within that framework, I don't see how being 13th in history for production U20 is underwhelming. I can't lie, even writing it out sounds ridiculous. Celebrini will be up there too, he's an incredible young player.
As for the rest, its objectively true regarding Crosby. Nobody is Crosby, he's the best U20 scorer of all time. Subjectively, to me, he remains the best 16,17,18 and 19 year old player I've ever watched. All of Malkin, Ovechkin and Makar came in as 20 year olds. McDavid is who I used pre-draft as a comparison for Bedard... in the sense that McDavid had superior physical attributes that would prevent Bedard from ever reaching that level. Bedard is keeping pace with Kane (70 point pace), despite a much weaker supporting cast. All I'm saying is that by no measure was he very underwhelming. I mean, you've defended Slafkovsky's first year and first half of his second year - think of how you've had to reframe peoples expectations in that case despite Slaf being a 1st OA pick.
Sure. I didn't mean to suggest that according to your personal assessment of Bedard the prospect, he has "underwhelmed"... I'm simply pointing out that vis-a-vis the "next one label", which I believe he held most strongly of any prospect since McDavid (pretty sure Bedard was even more highly touted than LAF?), he clearly has.
That label wasn't "my premise"... I've largely been skeptical of any time that label is given after the Daigle and Cleary busts.
I think you misread or misunderstood my replies.
Don't really disagree with anything you've said.
Bedard did carry a label, and he hasn't lived up to that label. He has underwhelmed relative to that. He's an exceptional talent who will be an elite player for a long time... And if he has the drive to keep improving his game with the relentless dedication a guy like MacKinnon shows (which is rare in itself), no reason why he can't yet become a HOF talent that is among the best of his generation.... But the rare "next one" territory (whatever that exact description may be) seems to have been an exaggerated label at this point... I think we agree there?
If Slaf had a "next one" label, than it would be fair to say he's underwhelmed to that... But he never carried that label. Pretty sure I've acknowledged that many of his critics are frustrated precisely because he hasn't lived up to their random 1OA expectations, which seems silly to me. He was drafted as a bit of a project, with a clear understanding that it would take time & commitment from him to turn his raw potential into elite impact... Thus far he seems very much in track to that imo.
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It's Bedard or Demidov thread guys?!?!
And call me crazy, but I wouldn't trade Demidov for Bedard. He is bigger and have more swag aswell!!
Demidov is truly special.
And call me crazy, but I wouldn't trade Demidov for Bedard. He is bigger and have more swag aswell!!
Demidov is truly special.
Demidov's mindset and drive, matched with his talent & instincts, make it a tough one...
Bedard seems like the obvious choice, but I'd probably join you on the crazy bus
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I feel like the Laffs and the BJs were the only teams in the east I didn’t like facing.
Bedard has been considerably better internationally & professionally, & they are 6 months apart in age.
Don't think there's much debate if we're looking at achievements & impact thus far
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One hell of a home-biased hot take.
You may be right, but I think on the same team, with the same ice time, Bedard has a better career than Demidov's.
Playing with Hutson, Suzuki, Caufield and co, I could see Demidov outscoring him... but that doesn't mean he's better, IMO.
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