Player Discussion Ivan Demidov: Welcome to Montreal

[Natey]

Lmao what do you mean “if”

I can have hope, can't I?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I can have hope, can't I?

No!

 

[Kojo]

lol we are just going to forget about the impact Julien, Richardson, Weber and the vets in the 2021 had on Nick and Cole’s career? MSL took over the development from many other people. MSL can take credit for Guhle and Slaf, I’m giving Hudson’s credit to Pandolf and the boys at BU who groomed him I into a wicked pro player before he got here. Hutson literally got here and was our best dman, MSL did what exactly? After a while he let him play, he didn’t show him how to play D one bit. He gave him chances, yay?

It's ridiculous to think that it had any impact on their career. Do you really think Suzuki wouldn't be the player he is without that? Don't even reply. It helped but it didn't make a huge difference.

 

[JadedRandom]

Demidov just needs to learn to be more assertive with the puck and not "play the unselfish guy" on his line.

Considering Laine is a 5-on-5 blackhole that slows down a line's momentum and bleeds possession like few can, and that Newhook has suboptimal vision and hockey sense as a centerman, Demidov has to stop deferring to these guys and being "a good rookie teammate".

Any time Demidov has the puck on that line, I want him to either shoot the puck himself, or try to manufacture advantages.

Basically, Demidov is only 3 games into his NHL career but he has to realize that he's the best player on his line by FAR and demand the puck way more.

The other two players on that line create ****-all most of the time. So Demidov being more selfish and turning the puck over while atempting plays that he has a decent chance of pulling-off is still better than Laine extending plays and losing the puck doing nothing, or Newhook entering with possession, skating really fast, and then doing nothing with the puck but turning it over.

All these plays end up with little results in the end, but at least the hypothetical Demidov plays would have potential.

It's just really frustrating seeing Montreal having only 1/3 of a good second-line on the roster, with the veterans (and deadweight) on the line not even making the most of their blue-chip prospect teammate.

 

[bleuetbio]

I don’t know what game you guys were watching but I saw a 19 yo kid who didn’t look out of pace, we tried to finish his checks. He didn’t engaged with Ovy. He’s getting a feel for the game.

Demidov is going to hit a point like Michkov did after a few great games.

The emotions from the debut wear off and the defensemen start paying attention to him much more.

Also, it’s play offs so flashy plays are not welcomed and he’s just not used to hard grinding type of plays.

Having an absolute black hole as a linemate doesn’t help either

I would say that it was pretty clear that Demidov was the weakest link yesterday and the Caps dont hesitate to play his side and exploit the flaw when he was on the ice. He has realy bad defense habits. In fact, its just not the time to play on a 2nd line and make him learning things that he obsviously didnt have the time to assimilate. Even his positionning on power play was kinda weird. Maybe he could adapt or maybe just cost us another game and probably the serie. For now, I think his 4th line + PP and I would give him some shift with Suzuki and Caufield too.

 

[Svart]

Nobody is melting down, nobody is panicking.

Did you forget the /s?
Some of our fanbase is fkn nuts.

 

[Kojo]

Demidov just needs to learn to be more assertive with the puck and not

That's what Rotenberg was saying all along and you guys with your rose glasses can't understand.

He's weak, he need to get stronger.

 

[CHwest]

God I wish we could get a quitter like him

Also why do you keep ignoring all the posts calling out your stupid ass comment with many examples of driven Russian players

20 yr career, missed playoffs 4 times, won 1 rd six times, lost first round 8 times, won cup once.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

20 yr career, missed playoffs 4 times, won 1 rd six times, lost first round 8 times, won cup once.

Stanley Cup
Conn Smythe
9x Rockets
Art Ross
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Hart
3x WC Gold
WJC Gold
All time NHL goals leader

Yeah man not driven at all

Delete your account

 

[DAChampion]

Both Crosby and Ovechkin were seen as generational.

In my opinion generational means a player who can take an entire team on his shoulders and have remarkable success from day 1.

With what we saw from Demidov in his 3 first shifts, he's it.

Dude,

Every single poster here wants Demidov to be generational, on the level of players like Kucherov, Crosby, etc.

But it's too early to give him that moniker.

 

[CHwest]

Stanley Cup
Conn Smythe
9x Rockets
Art Ross
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Hart
3x WC Gold
WJC Gold
All time NHL goals leader

Yeah man not driven at all

Delete your account

I am guessing you are young and did not see him quit, I watched it numerous times. As soon as he realized that the game was out of hand he literally quit as in PLD quit, this was in the playoffs. I was embarrassed for his teammates. Selfish player. I know the older fans on here saw the same thing.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I am guessing you are young and did not see him quit, I watched it numerous times. As soon as he realized that the game was out of hand he literally quit as in PLD quit, this was in the playoffs. I was embarrassed for his teammates. Selfish player. I know the older fans on here saw the same thing.

This literally didn’t happen and there’s 50 other examples of Russian players that have been among the NHLs best

I get that you hate Russians but you are just sounding ignorant as hell and everyone on this forum is laughing at you

 

[Bombshell11]

Dude,

Every single poster here wants Demidov to be generational, on the level of players like Kucherov, Crosby, etc.

But it's too early to give him that moniker.

Dude Lafleurs guy would be the first to call Bedard Generational

Demidov is better, him getting 10 mins a game with crappy linemates is on the coach.

Are you denying what you saw from his first period as a rookie?

We’re not treating him with the respect a talent of his statue deserves and thats a fact.

I cant care less Laine, Demidov is the guy we want to see. Slaf will never become the talented player Demidov is so he can go on the second line and push bodies around with Newhook

 

[DAChampion]

Dude Lafleurs guy would be the first to call Bedard Generational

Everybody says nonsense from time to time.

Demidov is better, him getting 10 mins a game with crappy linemates is on the coach.

Are you denying what you saw from his first period as a rookie?

Demidov's first period was incredible, but consistency is a prerequisite to greatness.

 

[Bombshell11]

Everybody says nonsense from time to time.


Demidov's first period was incredible, but consistency is a prerequisite to greatness.

Dude, come on. He’s learning a new language, a new system in a new country. We’re trying to coach him during the playoffs instead of using his assets in our advatange.

Demidov could actually unlock the 1st pp and that would expose some of the vets. They dont want that kind of negative energy thats why they’re not trying him on the first PP.

Subban took over the 1st d role and no one had a problem.

we’re trying to make the vets look good at the expense of winning

 

[DAChampion]

Dude, come on. He’s learning a new language, a new system in a new country. We’re trying to coach him during the playoffs instead of using his assets in our advatange.

Demidov could actually unlock the 1st pp and that would expose some of the vets. They dont want that kind of negative energy thats why they’re not trying him on the first PP.

Subban took over the 1st d role and no one had a problem.

we’re trying to make the vets look good at the expense of winning

Subban took over the 1D role because Markov was injured and Hamrlik was on the other pairing (and doing splendidly).

I agree that Demidov is not being used properly which is related to the second line needing to be broken up. I'm not sure how MSL should go about it.

 

[Bombshell11]

Subban took over the 1D role because Markov was injured and Hamrlik was on the other pairing (and doing splendidly).

I agree that Demidov is not being used properly which is related to the second line needing to be broken up. I'm not sure how MSL should go about it.

My point for Subban was that he was a rookie who took the responsibility of a 1st D and was playing 30 mins a night like a veteran.

We agree i think for the most part so all good man

 

[Tyson]

Demidov set up to fail playing with the players who are simply not very good

 

[Jaaanosik]

He's awesome. So was Sakic, so was Yzerman... neither were generational and neither is Kucherov.

What is the units of measure for generational?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I think Demidov would play better (at least in the playoff) if he was surrounded by more physical player than Laine & Newhook. Maybe something like Armia and Evans or Kapanen. Somebody that can cycle the puck and attack the net.

 

[Reimannsum1988]

A little early to be called generational imo. The nhl is a big big step up from the Khl

There's precious close to nothing but hyperbole in this thread, comments vacillating between "generational" and "lay Russian bust," both of which are disconnected from the realities of his situation as a player.

What were people expecting of a 19 year old, playing his first road game in the NHL, let alone playoff game, after moving halfway around the world and having a week of practice with his new team while playing, for twelve minutes, with a blackhole for a centre?

People need to chill with the dire proclamations as a result of these playoffs; we're not even close to done in the rebuild and development process. We're not actually competitive this year, and making snap judgements on anyone - whether with players that I loathe like Slafkovsky, who hardly had a good first playoff game, or those I love like Hutson, who was also underwhelming - betrays a lack of contextual judgement.

 

[DAChampion]

What is the units of measure for generational?

A franchise player that dominates their league at their position for a large number of years.

Right now that's Kucherov and McDavid.

Crosby and Ovechkin were there.

I suspect that Price would have likely been generational if he had had better health. It didn't help that Bergevin built a weak team and played the starter 70+ games a year.

 

[habdynasty]

Set up to fail lol.

 

[Tyson]

Set up to fail lol.

Has any player found chemistry with Laine and Newhook?

 

[Jaaanosik]

A franchise player that dominates their league at their position for a large number of years.

Right now that's Kucherov and McDavid.

Crosby and Ovechkin were there.

I suspect that Price would have likely been generational if he had had better health. It didn't help that Bergevin built a weak team and played the starter 70+ games a year.

I agree, Kucherov is a dominant, stand out player for multiple years in a row.