Player Discussion Ivan Demidov: Welcome to Montreal

[MasterD]

Drive is something that as a generalization Russians struggle with. Ovy quit on his team regularly in the playoffs when the team got down in a game or series in his early years.

Might be the most stupid thing I've read on this forum in 20+ years.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

A little early to be called generational imo. The nhl is a big big step up from the Khl

Nobody should be calling him generational. We'd be thrilled if he were anywhere near Kucherov and that guy's not generational.

 

[Bombshell11]

Nobody should be calling him generational. We'd be thrilled if he were anywhere near Kucherov and that guy's not generational.

Demidov showed us what he can do in the first 3 shifts when he wasn't being coached.

Its a coaching issue.

Kucherov is defenitly generational

PPG since 2016-2017,

McDavid's 1.55
Kucherov 1.43

Not sure what you're talking about

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Demidov showed us what he can do in the first 3 shifts when he wasn't being coached.

Its a coaching issue.

Yeah... it's a coaching issue.

The guy who has developed Suzuki, CC, Slaf, Hutson, Guhle suddenly can't develop this guy.

Please don't post this again.

Some of you guys are so far down the agenda path the nonsense you come up with is just mind boggling.

 

[Erika]

He left a lot to be desired last game. Hopefully he picks it up before he gets benched.

Rotenberg, is that you ?

 

[Redux91]

A little overwhelmed, sure lol
And it's all good!

The whole POINT was to just even GET him in a playoff game, and now he's already got a NHL playoff OT game under his belt!
XP!
Love that some kids were able to get that sensation out of the way
It's allllll going to schedule baby

 

[Deebs]

One can't help but feel embarrassed at the posters using the term "generational" like it's a common thing.

 

[OldCraig71]

Nobody should be calling him generational. We'd be thrilled if he were anywhere near Kucherov and that guy's not generational.

He was called way more than generational lol.

 

[CostaRica]

He left a lot to be desired last game. Hopefully he picks it up before he gets benched.

Rotenberg??? Is that you??

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He was called way more than generational lol.

Is Jesus Generational?

 

[Erika]

Nobody should be calling him generational. We'd be thrilled if he were anywhere near Kucherov and that guy's not generational.

Kucherov is the closest to thing to generational after McDavid.

When you look at his playmaking ability, that aspect alone is generational and no one comes close to Kucherov in the past 10 years.

 

[Bombshell11]

Yeah... it's a coaching issue.

The guy who has developed Suzuki, CC, Slaf, Hutson, Guhle suddenly can't develop this guy.

Ahhh ok so we're comparing 2-3 years of development vs 2-3 weeks of coaching decision behind the bench.

You're exposing your knowledge of hockey AND you completely ignored the statistical facts of Kucherov.

Please don't post this again.

Some of you guys are so far down the agenda path the nonsense you come up with is just mind boggling.

Buddy, if there's one person with an agenda here is you and your desire to see Price's jersey retired.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

MSL: "You can't practice that. You have to feel it and exeperience it... I know it's going to make our guys better just like they were better as the game went on."

Pretty much says it all. Playoff hockey is a different beast. You can't practice that kind of intensity and it's good that Demidov got to experience it.

I don't think the Canadiens are getting out of the first round. And that's fine. We did all we could just to get here. Guys are playing meaningful games and they'll learn from it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Kucherov is the closest to thing to generational after McDavid.

Draisyaitl and Mackinnon would have something to say about that.

When you look at his playmaking ability, that aspect alone is generational and no one comes close to Kucherov in the past 10 years.

Kucherov is a great player. But he's not generational. McDavid is.

Yzerman wasn't generational, neither was Messier or Sakic. They're incredible players just like Kucherov is but generational is a cut above.

 

[Kennerback]

I told you guys that Guy Lafleur took 3 years to figure it out and become a star, but you were too busy tracking flights and watching airport videos.

Demidov got a taste of playoff hockey which is different than anything he saw in the motherland. He will need time to figure it out. It's too bad we don't have a 1B version of Suzuki for him to play with. Laine and Newhook are just doing their own thing, whatever that is lol.

IMO Demidov is much more ready than Lafleur when entering the NHL. Let’s be fair here, Lafleur never played 5 on 5 in the playoffs with someone with the 0-60 acceleration of an old rundown truck. Literally play him with 2 players that can follow NHL speed (talented or not) and he’ll do great.

 

[waitin425]

I'm just not ready for the season to be over. I don't want us to get bounced this round, only to have to wait for 5 months before hockey. Let's run into June!

 

[Bombshell11]

Draisyaitl and Mackinnon would have something to say about that.

Kucherov is a great player. But he's not generational. McDavid is.

Yzerman wasn't generational, neither was Messier or Sakic. They're incredible players just like Kucherov is but generational is a cut above.

Have you watched Kucherov play?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Kucherov is the closest to thing to generational after McDavid.

When you look at his playmaking ability, that aspect alone is generational and no one comes close to Kucherov in the past 10 years.

What makes a generational player truly generational is the longevity of their elite performance. Ovechkin, for example, was a 50+ goal scorer in his rookie season—and two decades later, he’s still scoring at a 50+ goal pace.

Kucherov didn’t become a 100-point scorer until he was 25. In contrast, McDavid, Crosby, and Ovechkin started producing at a generational level from the ages of 18 to 20. For Kucherov to be considered in that same category, he’ll need to sustain his elite level for many more years.

 

[Ezpz]

Demidov showed us what he can do in the first 3 shifts when he wasn't being coached.

Its a coaching issue.

Kucherov is defenitly generational

PPG since 2016-2017,

McDavid's 1.55
Kucherov 1.43

Not sure what you're talking about

It's not generational if you can claim four separate forwards simultaneously are generational. Then you have Makar/Hughes. How many generational players can be in one generation?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Bombshell dropping another masterpiece right now

 

[Erika]

Draisyaitl and Mackinnon would have something to say about that.

Kucherov is a great player. But he's not generational. McDavid is.

Yzerman wasn't generational, neither was Messier or Sakic. They're incredible players just like Kucherov is but generational is a cut above.

You can't be just a great player and win 3 Art Ross in the same era as McDavid and MacKinnon.

In terms of pure passing and playmaking abity, Kucherov is better than both. Sure they are more complete players because of their physical attributes, but Kucherov IQ and playmaking put him up right there with the best of this generation.

Also, don't be surprised if Kucherov wins the Art Ross again for the next 2 years. He is that good.

 

[kyne]

The intensity, speed of execution and physical nature of the game clearly surprised him. Getting punched in the face for no reason after a whistle early in the game and no penalty called may have shaken him a bit.

I'm hoping one of the vets like Gallagher or Suzuki sat down with him after the game to go over the style of play necessary to be effective in playoff games. Let's see how he processes it. Ditto for Slaf.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Sucks that he busted, how far does this set our rebuild back?

 

[Bombshell11]

It's not generational if you can claim four separate forwards simultaneously are generational. Then you have Makar/Hughes. How many generational players can be in one generation?

Both Crosby and Ovechkin were seen as generational.

In my opinion generational means a player who can take an entire team on his shoulders and have remarkable success from day 1.

With what we saw from Demidov in his 3 first shifts, he's it.

 

[Habs]

Yeah... it's a coaching issue.

The guy who has developed Suzuki, CC, Slaf, Hutson, Guhle suddenly can't develop this guy.

Please don't post this again.

Some of you guys are so far down the agenda path the nonsense you come up with is just mind boggling.

lol we are just going to forget about the impact Julien, Richardson, Weber and the vets in the 2021 had on Nick and Cole’s career? MSL took over the development from many other people. MSL can take credit for Guhle and Slaf, I’m giving Hudson’s credit to Pandolf and the boys at BU who groomed him I into a wicked pro player before he got here. Hutson literally got here and was our best dman, MSL did what exactly? After a while he let him play, he didn’t show him how to play D one bit. He gave him chances, yay?