Value of: Ivan Demidov VS 2025 1OA
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Fledgemyhedge
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he’s admitted to never having watched him. Why he has so many posts with strong opinions about him is not computing to me.
I am a Leaf fan and as much as the Leafs need a player like Schaeffer, you can’t deny what Demidov seems to be and that is similar to a guy like Kaprizov. Will he be that good? Who the hell knows, but will Schaeffer be the next Makar or Hughes? Who the hell knows?
I think it really depends on what your needs as a team. If the Leafs had first overall they’d probably take the dman, if it’s a team starving for game breaking forwards, they probably go with Demidov. Saying one is clearly better than the other though is a fools game that no one will know until they are both in the NHl
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Yes but hes the top winger in the league and you can argue you would rather have any of the top 10? centers over him and maybe top 5 D?
just spitballing
What top10 centers over Kaprizov? McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl? That's probably it.
BHawk21
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Id rather have Matthews, Eichel, Barkov. Could argue Hughes Crosby Point? Not taking anything away from Kaprizov hes been unreal.
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Good context. The difference here is Demidov is playing against men and the KHL is a very competitive league. Schaefer looks very good but it is CHL production which is difficult to project. We have seen many guys put up some unreal numbers in the CHL but stall at the NHL level or when they turn pro.
Demidov's fight to ern more time with SKA as the season moved along shows his willingness to overcome challenges. This is a huge area of development and one of the most important ingredients. Most guys drafted top 10 have lots of skill and "potential". I just see the "it factor" with him on how he overcomes challenges. It looks very good
We are talking about 73 CHL games at age 16/17 for Schaefer (0.53 pts/game). I'm sure he continues to rack up more points and develop well but there is no sample against men. Not saying he will disappoint, I'm just saying you really don't know much until they turn pro. With Hutson, we were pumping him up but we were also pondering his size and how he will look against pros at the AHL or NHL level. That was talked about in our herd, believe it or not.
I think Schaffer will be worth more than Kaprizov in his prime if that helps. Just like Dahlin is worth more than Kucherov. Wingers don’t hold the value of dman. I’ll take any elite dman over any winger
To be fair Columbus turned down a package at 4 which would have seen Chicago's unprotected first be moved to them and they would have picked Demidov at 4. You could see it through the lense is Chicago better off for this trade happening or not (of course we offered the Isles first too.)
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If I were a team owner and you were my GM, I'd can your ass on the spot for such a take
Dahlin is a solid young defenseman; Kucherov has been a top 5 players for years now
They are nowhere close to have the same value, and it's not on Dahlin's favor
Respectfully disagree. I don’t think a winger can hold that kind of value. I’ll take a 90 point C or Dman over a 120 point winger anyday. I believe most GMs would aswell
creg
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I mean 90 point d-men aren't really available, there's been what like 3 in the past 5 years? This argument is essentially saying that Brayden Point would be more valuable than Nikita Kucherov which is a very laughable take.
Just as a hypothetical, if Tampa traded Kucherov, on how many teams would he instantly become their best player, like 29?
Silky Johnson
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It's debatable if it's the closest league but it is MILES from the NHL. There are also many examples of players who could not hack it in the NHL but having success in the KHL.
More playing time does not always mean better production because of sheltered minutes and QoC.
Demidov might turn into a good NHLer and Celebrini IS a good/great NHLer. There values reflect that.
I'd rather have 1OA and I imagine most teams would as well.
Getting a first overall pick is huge for a franchise, builds tons of hype and merch flys off the shelves.
Getting a first overall pick is huge for a franchise, builds tons of hype and merch flys off the shelves.
MoneyManny
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Celebrini is in the Calder race RIGHT NOW. Demidov is awesome but there's no way you can have a take like that at this point in time.
LaineBOOM
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Calling Point a C is like calling Nylander a C except point is probably worse in the Dot then Nylander. I’d take a guy like Barkov over Kuch and maybe a healthy Eichel
Both those players are severely underrated due to injuries
creg
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Sure, the player who has played as a C throughout pretty much the entirety of his career in the NHL is actually a winger because he's not good at faceoffs.
This thread has been filled with some pretty unhinged takes but I think you've found a way to top them
LaineBOOM
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To me its about the cap hit and the age. Even if McDavid would sign an extension with the Habs he is gonna be so damn expensive. Same with MacKinnon as well. Are we really gonna be able to make a cup run with one of them in our lineup during the next few years? Can we afford to build the remaining team in a way that gives us a chance?
I would say no.. and I would say Demidov and the team we can build around him gives us a better chance, and this option also makes our Cup window longer.
But you make a solid point, its not as black and white as I presented in my earlier post.
LaineBOOM
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The kid just scored.. 3 goals.. in one game.. while totally dominating every aspect of the game.. in KHL.. as a 19-year-old. What a monster holy crap.
LaineBOOM
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A debate here about wingers vs dmen vs centers but dont count out Demidov as a center. You have Caufield, Laine and Slafkowsky who can play LW. I wonder if someday we'll bring back SLAF on the left.... I write that and he just score on the left side. So for me, with Hage far from Montreal, I think we for sure make some tests with Demidov.
This, I think they were 1A - 1B and still like that. Both players has proven to be psycho pick and you cant realy debate anything when both have reached this level of excellence. Small edge for Celebrini because he did it on NHL level.
This, I think they were 1A - 1B and still like that. Both players has proven to be psycho pick and you cant realy debate anything when both have reached this level of excellence. Small edge for Celebrini because he did it on NHL level.
