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Value of: Ivan Demidov VS 2025 1OA

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Sasha Orlov said:
You keep referencing those three like we haven’t seen another year from each player and know that Demidov is light years ahead of those players

But yes you’re right about their perception of Russian players
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Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
 
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dgibb10 said:
Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
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Yes? He’s scoring at 4.02 p/60 and about to have the best U20 KHL season ever

He was known to be an “elite offensive talent” but we are talking top 3 prospect out of Russia ever at this point

He has left the others in the dust
 
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dgibb10 said:
Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
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You think Demidov was way ahead of Sennecke last year and that gap has gotten smaller?

Wow...okay.

Rankings do shift post draft though. It would be naive to think that they shift so much in the 6 months leading up to the draft but then hold their places post draft.

Demidov at this point is a clear #2 behind Macklin from 2024. There is no one in 2025 I would take ahead of either Macklin or Demidov at this point. Schaefer is my favorite, but I would but him third behind Celebrini and Demidov.
 
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waitin425 said:
You think Demidov was way ahead of Sennecke last year and that gap has gotten smaller?

Wow...okay.

Rankings do shift post draft though. It would be naive to think that they shift so much in the 6 months leading up to the draft but then hold their places post draft.

Demidov at this point is a clear #2 behind Macklin from 2024. There is no one in 2025 I would take ahead of either Macklin or Demidov at this point. Schaefer is my favorite, but I would but him third behind Celebrini and Demidov.
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I expected Demidov to be an elite offense weapon, he is an elite offensive weapon. Any reasons to not draft him (small offensive winger) have not gone away, nor has he vastly exceeded my expectations.

Sennecke has so far exploded.

If I had Sennecke higher before like the ducks did, nothing since then would change that.

Do I expect a team that didn't draft Demidov when he was a small, elite offensive winger, to now change their mind as Demidov has shown he is a, checks, notes, small elite offensive winger? No.
 
dgibb10 said:
I expected Demidov to be an elite offense weapon, he is an elite offensive weapon. Any reasons to not draft him (small offensive winger) have not gone away, nor has he vastly exceeded my expectations.

Sennecke has so far exploded.

If I had Sennecke higher before like the ducks did, nothing since then would change that.

Do I expect a team that didn't draft Demidov when he was a small, elite offensive winger, to now change their mind as Demidov has shown he is a, checks, notes, small elite offensive winger? No.
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What exactly is your definition of small?

The reason I ask...is the average size of an NHL player is 6'1 and around 189 lbs.

Average for a forward is slightly smaller at 6'0.5".

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Several websites have Demidov between 5'11" and 6'0.5" and weighing 192 lbs.

I would say he is not a small forward but actually right in the middle. Neither a big boy or a small boy. Also....as a recently turned 19 year old....he could push to 6'1 still and it would not be out of the question to add 3-5 pounds to skate around 198.

So factually....your assessment is off.
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
So you don’t like statistics all of a sudden, weird
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There are 4 guys on SKA averaging more P/G than Demidov.

SKA pots a ridiculous 9.5 points a night (for a comparison HC sochi was at 6 last year).

If you think what Demidov is doing makes him comparable to what Kuzy, Ovi, or Malkin was idk what to tell you (again, note, all CENTERS).

If you want to try about Ovi or Malkin, just no.

And if you think what Demidov is currently doing is more impressive than lockout Kuzy being 6th in the league in points (a league filled with a bunch of NHLers in their primes)
 
waitin425 said:
What exactly is your definition of small?

The reason I ask...is the average size of an NHL player is 6'1 and around 189 lbs.

Average for a forward is slightly smaller at 6'0.5".

jokermag.com

Average Height of NHL Players in 2025 (By Position)

Let's go around the rink and break down the average height of NHL players, position-by-position. The data might surprise you.
jokermag.com jokermag.com

jokermag.com

Average Height of NHL Players in 2025 (By Position)

Let's go around the rink and break down the average height of NHL players, position-by-position. The data might surprise you.
jokermag.com jokermag.com

Several websites have Demidov between 5'11" and 6'0.5" and weighing 192 lbs.

I would say he is not a small forward but actually right in the middle. Neither a big boy or a small boy. Also....as a recently turned 19 year old....he could push to 6'1 still and it would be out of the question to add 3-5 pounds to skate around 198.

So factually....your assessment is off.
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Quite a bit smaller than Sennecke, Lindstrom, or Levshunov.

How many times do a number of NHL teams have to show you how they value these types of players in comparison to other positions before we believe them
 
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dgibb10 said:
There are 4 guys on SKA averaging more P/G than Demidov.

SKA pots a ridiculous 9.5 points a night (for a comparison HC sochi was at 6 last year).

If you think what Demidov is doing makes him comparable to what Kuzy, Ovi, or Malkin was idk what to tell you (again, note, all CENTERS).

If you want to try about Ovi or Malkin, just no.

And if you think what Demidov is currently doing is more impressive than lockout Kuzy being 6th in the league in points (a league filled with a bunch of NHLers in their primes)
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Given your spreadsheets of statistics in other threads I know that you know this is very dishonest

Also “if you think x you’re crazy” isn’t an argument
 
Sasha Orlov said:
Given your spreadsheets of statistics in other threads I know that you know this is very dishonest

Also “if you think x you’re crazy” isn’t an argument
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SKA has ridiculous offensive firepower.

The parity in the NHL and the parity in the KHL are VERY, VERY different.

There are a number of young players to have put up similar PPG numbers, often without a ton of help.
 
dgibb10 said:
Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
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You evidently weren't following the scouting discourse too closely. Demidov hadn't scored in brief KHL and VHL action over the years and you sometimes heard the usual "plays like a junior player" critique. He's pretty much annihilated that concern. No, the people saying that were not expecting him to score 4 P/60 in the KHL this year. Instead he is the one that makes the KHL look like a junior league.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Gibbster spreading the copium about demidov now. Habs are now 6 points behind the devils with 2 games in hand

Not bad for a bottom 5 team
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How can it be possible

-Their 2c is way better than ur 1c
-Their young top pairing rd is in the ahl because they are full of top rd
-They have a better Hutson in Casey, which is in the ahl because their ld are too good
- Hughes is a norris caliber dman
-We play Xhekaj, who's the worst dman in the nhl and take plenty of penalty
- We play Guhle on the pk, and he's not good at it because ur pk wasn't good
- Caufield and Suzuki arent goot 5v5 players. They aren't good on the pp either, since ur pp wasn't good

Sadly, this is only the tip of the iceberg
 
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Mathew Schaffer really impressed me. I haven’t seen him outside of the small sample size for Canada at the WJC and haven’t seen much of Demeidov but if you asked 100 leafs fans on who you’d prefer between demidov and Mathew I think 90% would take Schaffer
 
Unbiased Fan said:
Mathew Schaffer really impressed me. I haven’t seen him outside of the small sample size for Canada at the WJC and haven’t seen much of Demeidov but if you asked 100 leafs fans on who you’d prefer between demidov and Mathew I think 90% would take Schaffer
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Who the hell is Mathew Schaffer? and why are we asking 100 Leafs fans? Why not 100 Habs fans? or....Vegas fans.....or Oilers fans.....or just plain hockey fans?
 
Unbiased Fan said:
Mathew Schaffer really impressed me. I haven’t seen him outside of the small sample size for Canada at the WJC and haven’t seen much of Demeidov but if you asked 100 leafs fans on who you’d prefer between demidov and Mathew I think 90% would take Schaffer
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leafs already have too many elite forwards
 
Call me gullible or crazy but I choose Demidov. I really like how he has forced SKA to play him more and he passes my eye test! He just has the "it factor" like Hutson and Caufield. He's putting up numbers very similar to Kaprisov and does not have the same amount of PP time.

Each draft year has a disappointment in the top 5. I value D+1 more than their draft year. Demidov was the steal of the draft and should have been neck/neck with Celebrini but the Russian factor affected it.

Heading into the draft... I was worried about Demidov's size and weight. But once I found out his true height and weight (combine info) I was like yeah, what are this kids flaws? It's very hard to nit pick.
 
Unbiased Fan said:
Mathew Schaffer really impressed me. I haven’t seen him outside of the small sample size for Canada at the WJC and haven’t seen much of Demeidov but if you asked 100 leafs fans on who you’d prefer between demidov and Mathew I think 90% would take Schaffer
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Hmm yeah I wonder why
 
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