Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[Bombshell11]

So you honestly don't believe Bedard will never score more than 60 points in a season for the rest of his career or are you just tying to be "that" guy?

Is he not 40 in 45 or something like that? Thats more or less 80 pts per season. Im saying thats his peek

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Is he not 40 in 45 or something like that? Thats more or less 80 pts per season. Im saying thats his peek

You think Bedard is peaking at 19, with no supporting cast, at around 80pts production?

That’s one hell of a take.

 

[JotAlan]

You think Bedard is peaking at 19, with no supporting cast, at around 80pts production?

That’s one hell of a take.

I think it's a strange take. At his peak, with decent teammates he will probably be a 100 point player several years, with a ceiling close to 130. Now I think Demidov has a ceiling very close to that, something like 90/95 several years and a ceiling close to 120 What differentiates Bedard from Demidov is the absurd shot that Connor has.

 

[Kennerback]

I think it's a strange take. At his peak, with decent teammates he will probably be a 100 point player several years, with a ceiling close to 130. Now I think Demidov has a ceiling very close to that, something like 90/95 several years and a ceiling close to 120 What differentiates Bedard from Demidov is the absurd shot that Connor has.

The difference between Bedard and Celebrini in the NHL is that right now Celebrini has been shooting the puck from better spots than Bedard. Celebrini does a give and go and shakes the Ds cover.

The fact Bedard’s shot is so outstanding is a double edged sword as he never needed to find creative tricks to score in the Minors like Celebrini. It’s much harder to get your shot off in the NHL. Bedard will need to tweak his game.

 

[DAChampion]

What I recall of Bedard's hype was that he had one of the best shots in the world. So it makes sense that he has a shooter's instinct. It's also the case that in Chicago he may not have anybody to pass to, so it's impossible for his playmaking to develop.

 

[JotAlan]

The difference between Bedard and Celebrini in the NHL is that right now Celebrini has been shooting the puck from better spots than Bedard. Celebrini does a give and go and shakes the Ds cover.

I didn't mention Celebrini lol, but yes, I agree. And although Mack has an elite shot, Bedard's is unreal and still there, he will find a way to fit it and with better teammates he will explode in the coming years. That said, I was only referring to Bedard and Demidov, Demidov doesn't have that level of shooting (he's still good), but he has talent, if not at the same level, very close.

 

[Kennerback]

I didn't mention Celebrini lol, but yes, I agree. And although Mack has an elite shot, Bedard's is unreal and still there, he will find a way to fit it and with better teammates he will explode in the coming years. That said, I was only referring to Bedard and Demidov, Demidov doesn't have that level of shooting (he's still good), but he has talent, if not at the same level, very close.

Demidov doesn’t have Bedard’s shot for sure. Although I was not clear, the point I was trying to make is that Bedard needs to maximize his shot at the NHL level. I feel that’s the way he can grow his offensive production the most. It’s also the fastest way for him to prove Bombshell11 wrong.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Is he not 40 in 45 or something like that? Thats more or less 80 pts per season. Im saying thats his peek

Why would you think the 2nd youngest player in the league - playing on the worst team in the league - wouldn’t get better in the coming years?

 

[Redux91]

Why would you think the 2nd youngest player in the league - playing on the worst team in the league - wouldn’t get better in the coming years?

You're talking to the guy who thinks our 26th overall pick in 2022 is the best player in the organization...

Why do people do it lol

 

[DAChampion]

You're talking to the guy who thinks our 26th overall pick in 2022 is the best player in the organization...

Why do people do it lol

@Bombshell11 has out-there takes but at least they're his own takes. He watches the prospects rather than filtering comments from filtered comments of other people who watch prospects.

He didn't just rank Mesar as a top ten player of his draft, I think he was also early in highly rankings Slafkovsky and Hutson.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The difference between Bedard and Celebrini in the NHL is that right now Celebrini has been shooting the puck from better spots than Bedard. Celebrini does a give and go and shakes the Ds cover.

The fact Bedard’s shot is so outstanding is a double edged sword as he never needed to find creative tricks to score in the Minors like Celebrini. It’s much harder to get your shot off in the NHL. Bedard will need to tweak his game.

There may be some truth to that but Bedard is an extremely smart player and his linemates are far from ideal. Tyler Bertuzzi is a low IQ player who doesn't work well with give and go scenarios and his other winger is Nazar who is a rookie.

Celebrini has Eklund who is creative and extremely offensively gifted and started breaking out last season as well as Toffoli who has brains for days..

I have always compared Celebrini to Crosby and Bedard to Sakic, obviously not in an identical sense but more of a stylistic/impact sense.

They are both great and I might even lean slightly in Celebrini's favour but it is definitely waaaaaay to early to reach any definitive answer.

 

[Deebs]

You're talking to the guy who thinks our 26th overall pick in 2022 is the best player in the organization...

Why do people do it lol

I live for the punishment because what I get from my wife and kids is just not enough.

 

[Bombshell11]

You think Bedard is peaking at 19, with no supporting cast, at around 80pts production?

That’s one hell of a take.

He's peeking at 19 because he's short, weak, a bad defender and he's getting the most Ice time of his team and plays the full PP minutes in every game.

There will come a time where the honeymoon ends, better teammates will join and will out rank him because he's just not that guy.

My thoughts and opinion

 

[Miller Time]

He's peeking at 19 because he's short, weak, a bad defender and he's getting the most Ice time of his team and plays the full PP minutes in every game.

There will come a time where the honeymoon ends, better teammates will join and will out rank him because he's just not that guy.

My thoughts and opinion

It's interesting that you equate his situation to a "honeymoon"...

I'd bet it's closer to a nightmare for a competitive & driven athlete like he clearly is.

 

[CHwest]

You think Bedard is peaking at 19, with no supporting cast, at around 80pts production?

That’s one hell of a take.

Certainly not at Mesars level.

 

[Habs]

He's peeking at 19 because he's short, weak, a bad defender and he's getting the most Ice time of his team and plays the full PP minutes in every game.

There will come a time where the honeymoon ends, better teammates will join and will out rank him because he's just not that guy.

My thoughts and opinion

He is used to playing on bad teams from his years on the Pats

 

[the valiant effort]

 

[Erika]

He's peeking at 19 because he's short, weak, a bad defender and he's getting the most Ice time of his team and plays the full PP minutes in every game.

There will come a time where the honeymoon ends, better teammates will join and will out rank him because he's just not that guy.

My thoughts and opinion

I agree with you mostly. Bedard is hella overated. He is a small center with a great shot that plays like a winger. His playmaking abilities are not close to Demidov as I believe Demidov hockey IQ is higher.

Bedard probably is above average in playmaking skills because he's been a shoot first player during all of his career. He relied on it for the major part of his life, he needs to upgrade his passing skills in the NHL to be able to produce like an elite player which he clearly is not at this moment.
between 70 to 90 points/year will be his peak imo, far from generational. If you guys want elite/generational playmaking abilities, think about Nikita Kucherov. Bedard is nowhere close to that.

As for Celebrini vs Bedard, give me Celebrini to try to win a cup.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

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It's interesting that you equate his situation to a "honeymoon"...

I'd bet it's closer to a nightmare for a competitive & driven athlete like he clearly is.

True. The poor guy was stuck on Regina for years where the ahole owner wouldn't try to build a winner and kept him to keep attendance up. Now he is stuck on the Hawks who are years away from contending. Should have refused to report to Chicago.