Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part II

[Matthew McConaughay]

Agreed. If Demidov and Kuznetsov get lots of ice time anything can happen.

I think Kutz, is the only one, that can really play with Ivan.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's not 'just because'.
Stop thinking in North American terms. Under the Russian hierarchical development system, the Habs would undoubtedly send Hutson to the QMJHL playoffs. They'd want their team to win.
Montreal doesn't because in North America there's separation between teams and leagues.


And no, Ryabkin didn't refuse. He played. He just whined, pouted and was a total liability on the ice. Only after Ryabkin's shenenigans did Dyanmo let him out of his contract. He wasn't worth the effort for them.

They don't because you wouldn't put someone down to a level they are well advanced out of. Putting Demidov in the MHL is the stupidest thing. He's one of the best players in the entirety of the KHL. His time in that league is over.

 

[Zine]

They don't because you wouldn't put someone down to a level they are well advanced out of. Putting Demidov in the MHL is the stupidest thing. He's one of the best players in the entirety of the KHL. His time in that league is over.

It's not stupid if its for a few games. I mean it's not uncommon for NHL teams to release their players to the WJC. WJC is a junior level that NHLers have graduated out of, right?

Montreal fans are just pissy because they want access to Demidov after KHL playoffs end. That's the genesis of this entire thing.

 

[Naslundforever]

Where do you all read these things about the kid never playing again for his team in the playoffs and end up back in jr, etc? I tried to catch up but everything seems made up for fun here on hf for the sake of chatting?

 

[SOLR]

It's a rumor that they will. Which Demidov should flat out refuse to do. It'd be like the Sharks sending Celebrini to the WHL to help a junior team win the Memorial Cup.

If Im Demidov here, I'm not refusing anything until I'm out of Russia.

 

[SwiftyHab]

They don't because you wouldn't put someone down to a level they are well advanced out of. Putting Demidov in the MHL is the stupidest thing. He's one of the best players in the entirety of the KHL. His time in that league is over.

You’re assuming they care about his development. They don’t. At this point they either want him to play for them or get paid to let him go.

All rotten man’s decisions should be seen through that prism

 

[Michelangelo]

It's not stupid if its for a few games. I mean it's not uncommon for NHL teams to release their players to the WJC. WJC is a junior level that NHLers have graduated out of, right?

Montreal fans are just pissy because they want access to Demidov after KHL playoffs end. That's the genesis of this entire thing.

It's not common either, especially if they are established players in the league

So yes it's stupid in Demidov's case

 

[Goalfield22]

How long is the MHL season? If he gets sent down, would that eliminate the chances of him coming over if they let him out of his contract after that season? If he refuses, I would assume the chances of them letting him out early would be zero, if you subscribe to the idea that they are spiteful against him (which I do).

 

[Shutdown]

It's not stupid if its for a few games. I mean it's not uncommon for NHL teams to release their players to the WJC. WJC is a junior level that NHLers have graduated out of, right?

Montreal fans are just pissy because they want access to Demidov after KHL playoffs end. That's the genesis of this entire thing.

are there other examples of elite rookies being sent down to the MHL after the KHL season is over?

 

[morhilane]

Where do you all read these things about the kid never playing again for his team in the playoffs and end up back in jr, etc? I tried to catch up but everything seems made up for fun here on hf for the sake of chatting?

It is made up.

You can blame me for the "never play in the KHL playoffs" one , but the "send down to the MHL" was something from like Twitter.

I personally think Demidov is gonzo the moment SKA is eliminated. He might not sign his ELC before June 1st, but that's another story.

 

[bcv]

It's not 'just because'.
Stop thinking in North American terms. Under the Russian hierarchical development system, the Habs would undoubtedly send Hutson to the QMJHL playoffs. They'd want their team to win.
Montreal doesn't because in North America there's separation between teams and leagues.


And no, Ryabkin didn't refuse. He played. He just whined, pouted and was a total liability on the ice. Only after Ryabkin's shenenigans did Dyanmo let him out of his contract. He wasn't worth the effort for them.

A player that plays at the U20 level for Team Canada is not sent to the U18 to help them win. Is that North American enough for you?

 

[bcv]

are there other examples of elite rookies being sent down to the MHL after the KHL season is over?

Of course there's not. Zine is only here to spew his propaganda like the good russian sheep that he is.

 

[Zine]

are there other examples of elite rookies being sent down to the MHL after the KHL season is over?

Yea, it even occurred with Michkov. Other top Russians (KHL regulars) from Demidov's 2005 class sent to MHL playoffs last year: Artamonov, But, Simashev, Ilyin, etc.
And Artamonov's coach is the notorious anti-NHL Igor Larionov!


It might be weird for North Americans. but this is common in Russian hockey.
But of course Demidov is being treated badly and differently because.......you know,,,,,,,evil Russia and stuff.

 

[Shutdown]

Yea, it even occurred with Michkov. Other top Russians (KHL regulars) from Demidov's 2005 class sent to MHL playoffs last year: Artamonov, But, Simashev, Ilyin, etc.
And Artamonov's coach is the notorious anti-NHL Igor Larionov!


It might be weird for North Americans. but this is common in Russian hockey.
But of course Demidov is being treated badly and differently because.......you know,,,,,,,evil Russia and stuff.

it didn't happen to Michkov after being drafted. the only real comparable to Demidov from your list.

But was 12th on his team in scoring in his Draft+1 year and he played 1 game in the MHL playoffs.
Simashev was tied for 4th in D scoring on his team (17th overall) in his D+1. played 1 game in the MHL playoffs.

Artamonov was drafted in 2024 like Demidov, so we don't know if it'll happen to him yet.

 

[Andrei79]

It's not 'just because'.
Stop thinking in North American terms. Under the Russian hierarchical development system, the Habs would undoubtedly send Hutson to the QMJHL playoffs. They'd want their team to win.
Montreal doesn't because in North America there's separation between teams and leagues.


And no, Ryabkin didn't refuse. He played. He just whined, pouted and was a total liability on the ice. Only after Ryabkin's shenenigans did Dyanmo let him out of his contract. He wasn't worth the effort for them.

"The Habs would do the same if they had a CHL team and their best u20 players were eligible and available."

That was the premise you started with. Why would we not think in North American terms when that was your comment ?

 

[CHwest]

Dismissing Crosby as a 38 year old center is ignorant. He's very fit and still has better production than Suzuki in spite of playing with garbage. He's likely to be effective for another three or four years, like Jagr and Chelios.

Washed up Crosby has 8 points in his last 5 games.

I would argue trying to gloss over the fact that he is 38 and will be 39 next year is far more ignorant. Jagr and Chelios played in another era.

 

[Kshahdoo]

His elder brother finished VHL season with 46 points in 42 games, could probably be good to try in Laval. And then who knows...

 

[DAChampion]

I would argue trying to gloss over the fact that he is 38 and will be 39 next year is far more ignorant. Jagr and Chelios played in another era.

Jagr played in this era.

 

[The Last Red]

Can't refuse.

Of course he can refuse. His contract expires May 31. Other than suspend him without pay until then if he refuses to report to their MHL team, what can they do, disappear his family?

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's not stupid if its for a few games. I mean it's not uncommon for NHL teams to release their players to the WJC. WJC is a junior level that NHLers have graduated out of, right?

Montreal fans are just pissy because they want access to Demidov after KHL playoffs end. That's the genesis of this entire thing.

It is stupid. He is so far above that league and is the top scorer on his KHL team, and one of the best players in the entire KHL. Going back down to the -MHL-, which is essentially the CHL in Russia, is just an insane premise.

It is uncommon for them to do that, but in those cases, they are lending down 18/19 year old players who they felt are too good for the juniors but can't go to any other league due to the AHL rules (this might change with the new NCAA rules).. In those cases, they do not send down players who are doing very well. Pittsburgh didn't send a 19 year old Crosby to the WJC. It's the Poitras' of the world where they are up in the NHL, not getting much ice time, certainly not leading their teams in scoring, and getting put in a more competitive environment than the OHL for a couple weeks.

I know that Demidov is not coming until his contract is up. SKA is going to be piss baby's about the whole situation. Hence why they might send him down to the MHL.

If Im Demidov here, I'm not refusing anything until I'm out of Russia.

He won't refuse.. but he shouldn't go. The fact they might do it is utter insanity.

You’re assuming they care about his development. They don’t. At this point they either want him to play for them or get paid to let him go.

All rotten man’s decisions should be seen through that prism

I know, I am just saying that he shouldn't go, though he will. Just saying that the whole thing is beyond ridiculous. He's the best offensive player on their entire team and they might send him down to a junior level, not even the VHL level, just because they're mad he is leaving at the end of his contract. It's one last vindictive act.

 

[Zine]

it didn't happen to Michkov after being drafted. the only real comparable to Demidov from your list.

But was 12th on his team in scoring in his Draft+1 year and he played 1 game in the MHL playoffs.
Simashev was tied for 4th in D scoring on his team (17th overall) in his D+1. played 1 game in the MHL playoffs.

Artamonov was drafted in 2024 like Demidov, so we don't know if it'll happen to him yet.

Kapitan didn't make the playoffs Michkov's D+1 year, so of course he wouldn't play.

And But, Simashev played 1 game because Lokomotiv made it to the KHL finals....as did the MHL team. They were sent down just in time for the championship game.

Other elite (at time of draft) D+1 Russians players in recent years: Miroschnichenko, Amirov, Denisenko, Marchenko,

 

[WeThreeKings]

Kapitan didn't make the playoffs Michkov's D+1 year, so of course he wouldn't play.

And But, Simashev played 1 game because Lokomotiv made it to the KHL finals....as did the MHL team. They were sent down just in time for the championship game.

Other elite (at time of draft) D+1 Russians players in recent years: Miroschnichenko, Amirov, Denisenko, Marchenko,

And how many of them lead their teams in scoring?

 

[waffledave]

"Typical Russiaphobia! You think everything Russia does is so evil!"

Uh yeah, of f***ing course. Where have you been?

 

[CHwest]

Jagr played in this era.

I guess that depends on how you define era... Hockey has changed a lot since he last played in the NHL.

 

[Zine]

And how many of them lead their teams in scoring?

And that has what to do with anything? Like I said, sending KHL regulars to MHL playoffs is common in Russian hockey.


The only reason Hab fans are throwing a hissy fit is because yall want Demidov after the KHL playoffs end. So anything shoet of Demidov playing in Montreal this year is corrupt, unfair and evil despite Demidov being under, ya know, contract.


My god, the entitement of NHL fans is astounding.