Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part II

[WeThreeKings]

And that has what to do with anything? Like I said, sending KHL regulars to MHL playoffs is common in Russian hockey.


The only reason Hab fans are throwing a hissy fit is because yall want Demidov after the KHL playoffs end. So anything shoet of Demidov playing in Montreal this year is corrupt, unfair and evil despite Demidov being under, ya know, contract.


My god, the entitement of NHL fans is astounding.

I've already specifically said I don't expect them to get Demidov until his contract is over.

Him leading his team in scoring has a lot to do with everything. Yes, it's common for teams to send their fringe prospects down to get more hockey in the stretch run.

Teams have never, and will never, send their BEST players down a level.

The Sharks aren't sending Celebrini to the AHL.
Chicago isn't and didn't send Bedard there.
Montreal isn't sending Lane Hutson there.

There's a clear distinction of a player who is in the upper echelon of an entire league NOT going down a level, or in this case, MULTIPLE levels, just because.

You are the one being stupid here because you want to defend a completely idiotic potential gesture by a team that has cried and kicked their feet the entire year because Demidov is leaving at the end of his contract, while being upfront about that since last year.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

It's not 'just because'.
Stop thinking in North American terms. Under the Russian hierarchical development system, the Habs would undoubtedly send Hutson to the QMJHL playoffs. They'd want their team to win.
Montreal doesn't because in North America there's separation between teams and leagues.


And no, Ryabkin didn't refuse. He played. He just whined, pouted and was a total liability on the ice. Only after Ryabkin's shenenigans did Dyanmo let him out of his contract. He wasn't worth the effort for them.

Montreal has a team above the QMJHL in Laval. If Montreal misses the playoffs, Hutson will not be sent down to Laval because that would be stupid.

So why would they send him to an even lower league if they wouldn't even send him to their farm team?

 

[Zine]

I've already specifically said I don't expect them to get Demidov until his contract is over.

Him leading his team in scoring has a lot to do with everything. Yes, it's common for teams to send their fringe prospects down to get more hockey in the stretch run.

Teams have never, and will never, send their BEST players down a level.

ere because you want to defend a completely idiotic potential gesture by a team that has cried and kicked their feet the entire year because Demidov is leaving at the end of his contract, while being upfront about that since last year.

Quit lying. Even Yevgeni Kuznetsov was sent down to MHL playoffs. He was Traktor’s leading scorer among forwards.

If the Habs organization existed in Russia, Hutson would be sent there as well if the opportunity presented itself.
Again, this isnt uncommon.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Quit lying. Even Yevgeni Kuznetsov was sent down to MHL playoffs. He was Traktor’s leading scorer among forwards.

If the Habs organization existed in Russia, Hutson would be sent there as well.

He had played MHL games, almost 10 that year. Demidov has played 0 seconds of MHL time.

 

[DAChampion]

"Typical Russiaphobia! You think everything Russia does is so evil!"

Uh yeah, of f***ing course. Where have you been?

On Earth, and Russophobia is nonsense.

But it does seem that CSKA is dysfunctional.

 

[Zine]

He had played MHL games, almost 10 that year. Demidov has played 0 seconds of MHL time.

So what? Kuznetsov was Traktor’s leading scorer for forwards.

You claimed teams have never, and will never, send their best players down a level.
That’s blatantly false.

Err, unless the leading scorer is not a best player. In that case maybe you and Rotenberg see eye-to-eye on certain things.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I really don't see the point in arguing over this. No one here knows what will happen. They could very well send him to the MHL, or they could also decide they've tried both the carrot and the stick already and just let him go because there's really no point holding on to him with the KHL season being over.

You can all argue till you're blue in the face, it's still just speculation.

 

[WeThreeKings]

So what? Kuznetsov was Traktor’s leading scorer for forwards.

You claimed teams have never, and will never, send their best players down a level.
That’s blatantly false.

Err, unless the leading scorer is not a best player. In that case maybe you and Rotenberg see eye-to-eye on certain things.

You found one exception, good for you. But he still played at that level that year, where Demidov never has this year.

All in all, it's beyond stupid. He doesn't belong in that league. He was too good for it a year ago.. he is far too good for it now.

 

[Rapala]

I really don't see the point in arguing over this. No one here knows what will happen. They could very well send him to the MHL, or they could also decide they've tried both the carrot and the stick already and just let him go because there's really no point holding on to him with the KHL season being over.

You can all argue till you're blue in the face, it's still just speculation.

Yup.
I'm not counting on anything other than the clock to continuing to tick towards Demidov becoming free and clear.
I also think there will be concerted efforts to prevent that from happening but how far will it go.
I trust nothing Russian at this point and want him out of there asap.

 

[Zine]

You found one exception, good for you. But he still played at that level that year, where Demidov never has this year.

All in all, it's beyond stupid. He doesn't belong in that league. He was too good for it a year ago.. he is far too good for it now.

Cool. You’re totally entitled to your opinion on whether it’s good or not for Demidov. I can respect that.

My main point is it’s not uncommon for teams to send KHLers to MHL playoffs, even the elite u20s. That’s it.

Why is describing how things work in the KHL get you painted a ‘propaganda spewing Russian apologist’?
Seriously, some of you people are sick.

 

[DAChampion]

Why is telling people how things work in the KHL get you painted a ‘propaganda spewing Russian apologist’.
Seriously, some of you people are sick.

The Russophobia propaganda is strong, most people won't be able to resist.

Regardless though, if Demidov plays some MHL games we should see that as an unfortunate development for the Habs, for Demidov, though probably minor in the grand scheme of things.

We can't know for sure, but most likely the best thing for Demidov is that once the CSKA playoffs end, he goes to Montreal, gets an apartment, trains here, etc.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Cool. You’re totally entitled to your opinion on whether it’s good or not for Demidov. I can respect that.

My main point is it’s not uncommon for teams to send KHLers to MHL playoffs, even the elite u20s. Nothing more nothing less.

Why is telling people how things work in the KHL get you painted a ‘propaganda spewing Russian apologist’?
Seriously, some of you people are sick.

I just want to say that I never made any comments of the sort around russian propaganda or being an apologist.

I do appreciate you bringing up examples like Kuznetsov to show it has been done in the more outlier cases like Demidov. It still makes 0 sense to me and he really shouldn't go back down to that level to play since it's so far beneath him.. but I do know Ivan is a good character kid and would do it anyway.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yup.
I'm not counting on anything other than the clock to continuing to tick towards Demidov becoming free and clear.
I also think there will be concerted efforts to prevent that from happening but how far will it go.
I trust nothing Russian at this point and want him out of there asap.

I don't think it's a Russian thing, but more a pathetic childish thing by Rottenturd. Russian players usually don't have any problems coming over and I doubt Demidov will be an exception. I suppose that line of thinking is more driven by habs fans trauma that boils down to "we can never have nice things" and this gets extrapolated into crazy theories, with a good dose of -russians are all evil- to add gravitas to the theories.

 

[Goalfield22]

If they send Demidov down, I hope he goes there and tears that league apart in the playoffs before he dips. Show them he is the bigger person and their crap doesn't affect him.

 

[SOLR]

He won't refuse.. but he shouldn't go. The fact they might do it is utter insanity.

Why? it's just one month - I don't think its relevant either way.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why? it's just one month - I don't think its relevant either way.

Because he has nothing to prove at that level. He was too good for it in his draft year.. going now is just stupid. It's just exposure for a potential injury more than anything.

 

[bcv]

Why? it's just one month - I don't think its relevant either way.

What's the point? What if he gets injured? This is only to punish him for not re-signing with them.

 

[CostaRica]

Yup.
I'm not counting on anything other than the clock to continuing to tick towards Demidov becoming free and clear.
I also think there will be concerted efforts to prevent that from happening but how far will it go.
I trust nothing Russian at this point and want him out of there asap.

Wow, what year is it in your world??

Demidov is in for a shock when he finds out how frighteningly ignorant some Montreal fans are.

 

[Rapala]

Wow, what year is it in your world??

Demidov is in for a shock when he finds out how frighteningly ignorant some Montreal fans are.

Are you coming on here just to call me ignorant or do you have something constructive to add?

There is nothing ignorant about seeing a situation for what it is.
Demidov is currently living and playing in a country that is volatile.
Let me know when that goes away.

 

[CostaRica]

Are you coming on here just to call me ignorant or do you have something constructive to add?

There is nothing ignorant about seeing a situation for what it is.
Demidov is currently living and playing in a country that is volatile.
Let me know when that goes away.

Yep, you just proved my point.

Explains a lot doesn’t it?

 

[CostaRica]

Demidov will be in Montreal next season and will win the Calder, he’s not shackled to Mother Russia.

 

[Rapala]

Yep, you just proved my point.

Explains a lot doesn’t it?

Glad to help.

 

[DAChampion]

Demidov will be in Montreal next season and will win the Calder, he’s not shackled to Mother Russia.

Reinbacher might compete for the Calder too.

But probably not win. Still having two finalists will be cool.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Fans was always wanted talent in this team, imagine when Demidov will be on ice with players like Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Laine and Hutson. (Hage and Reinbacher have aswell great talent's).

No doubt, the talent is there in MTL.

They just need to add some pieces to complete that type of talents. But they have draft picks//prospects to make great moves.

 

[Hanji]

Yup.
I'm not counting on anything other than the clock to continuing to tick towards Demidov becoming free and clear.
I also think there will be concerted efforts to prevent that from happening but how far will it go.
I trust nothing Russian at this point and want him out of there asap.

I mean if you’re going to be skeptical about Russia and the KHL, at least have the knowledge of what to be skeptical about. Like anything in this world, the details are in the intricacies.
The blanket “I trust nothing Russian” mantra is just simple minded. And here I thought hockey culture was evolving from the days of meathead Don Cherry.