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Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part II

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417 said:
They're playing the only card they have left to try to get him to sign over there.

Like it or not, but SKA was/is always going to do what's best for SKA, they don't care about the Montreal Canadiens anymore more than the Montreal Canadians care about SKA St. Petersburg.

Honestly, to me at least, this is the best-case scenario because the worst thing that could happen is a late season injury that could affect him over the summer.

Sit him the rest of your season, even better...come May 31st, they can't do shit anymore.
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Shiiittt I like the way you think.
 
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SOLR said:
Your making a political statement because you have others beliefs. That's fine. But keep in mind that the world does not revolve around your beliefs.
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This statement is at odds with your next statement
SOLR said:
I am also North American in my beliefs, so yeah I think he should be playing, but I do not believe for a second this is a bad thing for Ivan, he's 19... he played a season in the KHL. It's a lot more about character at that age.
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Did you happen to see the US roster for the 4 nations cup?
 
SOLR said:
At odds?
1) I respect that others see a situation differently.
2) Here's what I think.

It's called not imposing my beliefs on others.

"Did you happen to see the US roster for the 4 nations cup?"
So?
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What does being "North American" have to do with thinking Demidov should play?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your commentary, but it would appear that you are "making a political (or socio-cultural) statement because you have other beliefs"... Which is what you suggested @Andy was doing...

If anything, his comments was far less political than your replies :dunno:

SOLR said:
We are talking about the CKA. It has a lot to do about social culture dynamics.
This was happening 20 years ago. 40 years ago, 60 years ago.
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What has been happening? Young players getting by-passed by weaker vets?

Again, this happens across sporting cultures, be it Russia or North America.

Fyi Nikishin has led CKA in ice time the past 3 seasons... from 19-22 years old.

Every human organization operates with socio-cultural dynamics... But implying that Demidov's treatment by SKA/Rotty is a reflection of Russian social hierarchy at play is, at best, a gross generalization as I stated previously.

Did Michkov see the same treatment last year? Was he not also playing in Russia?

Is Guerin Russian? Did he not bypass better youth in favor of vets using quite similar rationales a few weeks ago?

Do we not hear and see the exact same types of comments when pro north American teams sit better youth in favor of veterans? Do you not remember the Habs rolling a hobbled Staal out in the POs despite the younger JKO clearly outperforming him?
 
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SOLR said:
Your making a political statement because you have others beliefs. That's fine. But keep in mind that the world does not revolve around your beliefs.

I am also North American in my beliefs, so yeah I think he should be playing, but I do not believe for a second this is a bad thing for Ivan, he's 19... he played a season in the KHL. It's a lot more about character at that age.
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It’s not a political statement. It’s a sports statement.

Why would you make your lineup worse because someone isn’t coming back? Do nhl teams do that with their UFAs in the playoffs? No.

SKA is completely unserious and vindictive. I’d hate to be a player on their team when loyalty is more important than winning.

It’s not a North American thing, it’s a sports thing.
 
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waitin425 said:
Really, the position on the PP he is most suited for is Suzuki's.

Caufield and Laine are both elite snipers. Slaf is the big body net presence.

He won't be bumping Suzuki. Next year, barring a major shitting of the bed by the current #1 PP unit - Demi will remain on the 2nd unit.

Not being on PP1 will hurt his Calder chances, but I still think he enters the season as the favourite.
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My guess is Cole is bumped to PP 2. Suzuki takes Cole's spot at the Goal line/Bumper.

PP1
Slaf
Laine - Suzuki - Demidov
Hutson

PP2
2C
Cole - Suzuki - Newhook
Matheson
 
Essenege said:
All that shitshow doesn’t matter guys. Less injury odds and he’ll be hungrier next year. And he still played more hockey this year then NCAA players in the end so who cares.

If anything I’m happy to see this because it means our boy isn’t budging. Good for him.
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Nothing stops him from making the best of a bad situation. Put in extra time at practice, in the gym and keep a positive outlook.

Sure, it doesn’t replace playing in games but the end of his contractual obligations is so close that all he needs to do is not ruffle any feathers and stay the course.

#DelayedGratification
 
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Runner77 said:
Nothing stops him from making the best of a bad situation. Put in extra time at practice, in the gym and keep a positive outlook.

Sure, it doesn’t replace playing in games but the end of his contractual obligations is so close that all he needs to do is not ruffle any feathers and stay the course.

#DelayedGratification
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Exactly!

Why are we bickering over Rotenberg/SKA/Russia/KHL when none of it matters at all to Demidov's development. He still had a historic season in a top pro league, clearly he is not incurring harm lol.

I get the natural animosity that comes from watching bad actors act poorly. This should not be surprising and as I have said before, some fans seem to believe that the accrual of points by a prospect outside of the NHL is analogous to the accrual of xp points in an effort to level up in a video game......it is a ridiculous notion that appears to be way too prevalent around here.

Demidov is primed for success and outside of any unforeseen scenario, he will be in Montreal next season looking to adapt and adjust as quickly as he can in order to realize the success that we all know that he will attain.

Can everyone just please pull their sh*t together and accept reality because the reality in this situation is that none of this will matter at all in the very near future.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Exactly!

Why are we bickering over Rotenberg/SKA/Russia/KHL when none of it matters at all to Demidov's development. He still had a historic season in a top pro league, clearly he is not incurring harm lol.

I get the natural animosity that comes from watching bad actors act poorly. This should not be surprising and as I have said before, some fans seem to believe that the accrual of points by a prospect outside of the NHL is analogous to the accrual of xp points in an effort to level up in a video game......it is a ridiculous notion that appears to be way too prevalent around here.

Demidov is primed for success and outside of any unforeseen scenario, he will be in Montreal next season looking to adapt and adjust as quickly as he can in order to realize the success that we all know that he will attain.

Can everyone just please pull their sh*t together and accept reality because the reality in this situation is that none of this will matter at all in the very near future.
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The most significant aspect of Demidov's D+1 season is that he didn't suffer any significant injuries. Because injuries are the only thing that can stop him from having a great career in Montreal, and it does seem to happen to a lot of Habs' prospects.

I do think experience is good, that said he got very good experience this year. It maybe could have been better but it's far better than most get in their D+1.
 
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The only people hurting from SKA sitting Demidov in the playoffs is SKA. Guaranteed their players aren't happy about it at all.

Sitting your highest scoring player, regardless of age, in the playoffs is a dumb move if you're looking to win. You could be from Canada or Zimbabwe, the criticism from anyone who has ever played the sport or fans who have even a modicum of understanding of the game will say the same thing.
 
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He was in a red jersey (3rd line) last practice despite Rotenberg saying he'd be 13th forward and on PP2.

So maybe the leaders in the room spoke to him and made him reconsider.
 
Estimated_Prophet said:
Exactly!

Why are we bickering over Rotenberg/SKA/Russia/KHL when none of it matters at all to Demidov's development. He still had a historic season in a top pro league, clearly he is not incurring harm lol.

I get the natural animosity that comes from watching bad actors act poorly. This should not be surprising and as I have said before, some fans seem to believe that the accrual of points by a prospect outside of the NHL is analogous to the accrual of xp points in an effort to level up in a video game......it is a ridiculous notion that appears to be way too prevalent around here.

Demidov is primed for success and outside of any unforeseen scenario, he will be in Montreal next season looking to adapt and adjust as quickly as he can in order to realize the success that we all know that he will attain.

Can everyone just please pull their sh*t together and accept reality because the reality in this situation is that none of this will matter at all in the very near future.
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100% lol great analogy
 
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Grate n Colorful Oz said:
As i was saying a few days ago, but I was answered that since Rotten is a nepo baby, he can't get fired, but the reality of nepo babies is that their very nature, being incompetent, will inevitably lead them to get shitcanned at some point.
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Ed Snider famously “fired” his son Jay as the Flyers’ President back in the late 80’s/early 90’s.
 
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Hype

Someone can take Evangelion-Ivan... I'm happy to stick with Ghibli-Kovalev for now
 
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Andy said:
It’s not a political statement. It’s a sports statement.

Why would you make your lineup worse because someone isn’t coming back? Do nhl teams do that with their UFAs in the playoffs? No.

SKA is completely unserious and vindictive. I’d hate to be a player on their team when loyalty is more important than winning.

It’s not a North American thing, it’s a sports thing.
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The Demidov situation is a ‘perfect’ example of the Russian factor that gives most drafting teams some pause/ concern in their NHL draft decision making.

As I have often written: the only certainty in hockey is the uncertainty in the rate of a young player’s development. The last thing any team needs is the added uncertainty of the all too prevalent Russian factor.

I can guarantee that all the other NHL times are watching the Demidov fiasco with learned wariness.
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
The Demidov situation is a ‘perfect’ example of the Russian factor that gives most drafting teams some pause/ concern in their NHL draft decision making.

As I have often written: the only certainty in hockey is the uncertainty in the rate of a young player’s development. The last thing any team needs is the added uncertainty of the all too prevalent Russian factor.

I can guarantee that all the other NHL times are watching the Demidov fiasco with learned wariness.
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To what FIASCO are you referring?

Would ANY team not draft Demidov if they had the chance, knowing that God forbid he'd score 49pts in 65 KHL games in his D+1? This is as good an outcome as anybody could have asked.
 
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ExReHabs said:
To what FIASCO are you referring?

Would ANY team not draft Demidov if they had the chance, knowing that God forbid he'd score 49pts in 65 KHL games in his D+1? This is as good an outcome as anybody could have asked.
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You’re missing my point. Michkov and Demidov didn’t drop in their respective draft years because of the colour of their hair. The Russian factor played a role. If you think SKA’s treatment of Demidov has been exemplary, you’re being willfully blind.

Demidov’s success has been despite this regressive handling.

Other teams will notice and act, whether wisely or otherwise, accordingly, in the future.
 
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