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[Jim Bob]

People would lose their minds because he isn't a WR, but....

 

[VaporTrail]

If you're looking for some add options, here's the top guys from the Athletics consensus big board missing from our board:

• Amarius Mims (OT, Georgia)
• Nate Wiggins (CB, Clemson)
• Jer'Zhan Newton (DT, Illinois)
• Tyler Guyton (OT, Oklahoma)
• Kool-Aid McKinstry (CB, Alabama)
• Graham Barton (C, Duke)
• Darius Robinson (DE, Missouri)

That covers through pick 33 on the consensus board, omitting QBs.

Is Kool-Aid his real name or a nickname?

 

[Der Jaeger]

People would lose their minds because he isn't a WR, but....

He'd be a monster McDermott's defense

 

[Der Jaeger]

If Byron Murphy falls, does Beane swoop him up and go with two undersized DTs? McFarland-Sapp part 2, without the elite play of Sapp?

 

[Jim Bob]

Is Kool-Aid his real name or a nickname?

Ga'Quincy "Kool-Aid" McKinstry

 

[Der Jaeger]

I wonder is that's it for the Sweat idea.

I still think trading from 28 into the 2nd is a good idea. I like that type of move with a combination of moving up from the other picks.

My favorite trade to get is from Cincinnati. 28 for 49, 80, and 115.

Then use assets to move up from the 2nd and 3rd round picks, and even from the 4th into the 3rd.

I'd let the Vikings 2nd in 2025 sit. Beane will have money in 2025 and that pick could be a big part of the Allen Bills version 2.

Another option: at 28, I'd sit and take DeJean if he's available. Put that kid in McDermott's defense, and you're looking at an All-Pro real fast. I'd then work to trade up from 60 and try to get another falling player (C. Robinson, D. Robinson, Barton) if they are there.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

There was an insider article claiming that the Bills may consider trading Allen for 6OA. Now as a Giants fan, sign me up. This seems utterly stupid from a Bills perspective. My guess is this writer is posting clickbait for the NYC media.

No way this is actually a possibility right?

If you think 6oa is even worth close to Josh Allen, the rumors are proving to be correct, there are folks out there that will believe anything the media tells them.

 

[Husko]

If Byron Murphy falls, does Beane swoop him up and go with two undersized DTs? McFarland-Sapp part 2, without the elite play of Sapp?

Considering how much they rotate their DTs, they'd probably rarely even be on the field together outside of passing downs.

 

[Husko]

New poll: 2024 HF Bills Big Board 14

Murphy wins the latest poll with 40% of the vote. Four different adds submitted, so I'm just going to add them all: Fauntanu, McKonkey, Q Mitchell, and Leggette.

New poll: 2024 HF Bills Big Board 14

1. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State (88%)
2. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU (83%)
3. Rome Odunze, WR, Washington (100%)
4. Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame (38%)
4. Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama (38%)
6. Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State (40%)
6. Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA (40%)
8. Brian Thomas Junior, WR, LSU (40%)
9. Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon (40%)
9. Jared Verse, DE, Florida State (40%)
11. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia (50%)
12. Cooper Dejean, DB, Iowa (50%)
13. Byron Murphy, DT, Texas (40%)

I'm still voting Arnold. I know he's a corner and not a need, but he might be the best defensive player in the draft.

2024 HF Bills Big Board 14

Vote for who you would want the Bills to select.

docs.google.com

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Ga'Quincy "Kool-Aid" McKinstry

10 packs for a $1 ?

 

[Der Jaeger]

I did a "trade down from 28 but not picking Sweat" draft.

Trades:
28 to LV for 44 and 77
44, 128, 200, 248 to Detroit for 61 and 73
204 and 2025 6th to LV for 208 and 223

60: Devontez Walker WR UNC
61: Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale
73: Brendan Rice WR USC
77: McKinnley Jackson DT Texas A&M
133: Beaux Limmer C Arkansas
144: Tykee Smith S Georgia
160: MJ Devonshire CB Pitt
163: Khristian Boyd DT Northern Iowa
208: Myles Harden CB South Dakota
223: Carson Steele RB UCLA

Roster:
QB: Allen, Trubisky
RB: Cook, Johnson, Gilliam, Steele
WR: Shakir, Samuel, Hollins, Shorter, Walker, Rice
TE: Kincaid, Knox, Morris
OT: Dawkins, Brown, Amegadjie, Collins
G: Edwards, Torrence
C: McGovern, Clapp, Limmer

DE: Rousseau, Miller, Epenesa, Williams, Toohill
DT: Oliver, Jones, Jackson, Boyd, Johnson
LB: Milano, Bernard, Williams, Morrow, Spector
CB: Douglas, Benford, Elam, Devonshire, Harden
NB: Johnson, Lewis
S: Edwards, Rapp, Smith, Hamlin

ST: Bass, Ferguson, Martin/Haack

I like the addition of Walker and Rice as X receivers who get deep AND are largely hands catchers. I think that makes a world of difference. Walker needs work on some of the finer points of the game (tempo, etc). I think Rice is wildly undervalued and will be a very good pro.

Amegadjie as a high pick will turn heads, but I think he ends up starting at guard and then flipping with Dawkins over the next few seasons. Many top LTs have done that. Limmer adds a high RAS reserve type who could develop into a starter. I kept 3 centers because all three players could be a guard.

Jackson is a true nose tackle type who can anchor. Boyd is a younger version of Jordan Phillips.

Smith profiles as the smart safety who develops well in a McDermott defense. Devonshire and Harden are zone corners for the Bills, who are proven developers of later round CBs.

Steele is a hammer of a RB who fills that role for the Bills.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The more I watch Ladd McConkey, the more I'm down for drafting him. I don't see a slot receiver. I see a better version of Shakir.

 

[Husko]

The more I watch Ladd McConkey, the more I'm down for drafting him. I don't see a slot receiver. I see a better version of Shakir.

Yeah he's not a slot receiver at all. Vast majority of his snaps are outside. From a size/profile standpoint he reminds me of Diggs, only way more explosive from a testing perspective.

 

[Selanne00008]

The more I watch Ladd McConkey, the more I'm down for drafting him. I don't see a slot receiver. I see a better version of Shakir.

From what i've seen, there's potential there. Where is he mocked to go? 2nd rounder no sooner?

 

[TehDoak]

From what i've seen, there's potential there. Where is he mocked to go? 2nd rounder no sooner?

Late 1st/early 2nd

For those wanting to trade back:

No matter who you want at receiver and you think should be there and trade back, Kansas City will take.

And if we stay put, Kansas City will trade ahead of us and take them too.

And that player will score a GW TD against us

Because they are bastards.

 

[Husko]

From what i've seen, there's potential there. Where is he mocked to go? 2nd rounder no sooner?

I think if the Bills want him, we're probably looking at a mild trade up. He might get to 28, but no guarantee.

 

[Zman5778]

I think if the Bills want him, we're probably looking at a mild trade up. He might get to 28, but no guarantee.

I think he gets to 28. I think his sweet spot is 26-40......but realistically, I think the Pats gobble him up to pair with their QB if he makes it to them.

The WR that I think might go earlier than anyone expects is Worthy. That Tyreek-esque speed is going to entice someone.

 

[Der Jaeger]

From what i've seen, there's potential there. Where is he mocked to go? 2nd rounder no sooner?

25-35 ish. But it all depends on individual team boards.

If some team has him around 20 and they draft earlier than 25, he’s the pick.

See Gibbs last year.

 

[Husko]

I think he gets to 28. I think his sweet spot is 26-40......but realistically, I think the Pats gobble him up to pair with their QB if he makes it to them.

The WR that I think might go earlier than anyone expects is Worthy. That Tyreek-esque speed is going to entice someone.

See, I could see Worthy being the one that free falls, reminds me of Hyatt last year, who fell to the third

 

[Rowley Birkin]

How much integrity is there of an online poll with ~5 people voting per round?

I'm probably voting for Arnold for awhile. We can't just ignore possibly the best defensive player in the draft just because we don't want a corner. Mitchell and McConkey are the only other receivers I have true first round grades on. But they'll probably be gone before I get to vote for them.

Sorry - integrity was the wrong word to use there. Legitimacy would be better.

RE DeJean - I've said before that I'd see him as a 'positionless' player capable of playing anywhere in the secondary.. I'm relatively sure he's gone by 28.

RE Murphy - despite his size i don't think he's exclusively 3T like Oliver. He played a number of snaps in the A gap. Again, I'm relatively sure he will be gone by 28.

RE McConkey - he is by no means a slot only guy & I'd absolutely take him over a number of others within that tier who do project as slot only. But as i posted before - he's still too much of the same. The above Diggs / Shakir comparisons only add weight to that arguement. With Diggs' departure & the need to hit on a guy with a high floor - i do understand why so many of you like him. But at least in terms of our BB vote - there are far better non-WRs still on the table. Even if you see him as a fit - he is surely below #28...

RE Sweat - i didn't think he was a likely pick before. I think it's impossible now. It's unfortunate because of all the DTs in the class he's easily my favourite. Someone will get a day 2 steal.

See, I could see Worthy being the one that free falls, reminds me of Hyatt last year, who fell to the third

Not after he posted that 40yd time.

 

[Jim Bob]

How the Buffalo Bills can replace Stefon Diggs and improve their wide receiver corps | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Sam Monson breaks down how the Buffalo Bills can replace Stefon Diggs and improve their wide receiver corps.

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I am generally a trade back guy. But, I really like Odunze and with him falling to 14 and the cost to go up was down to 28, 122, and '25 1st, I pulled the trigger.

I like how the rest of the draft fell, as well.

 

[Zman5778]

Ace is gonna love this take:

Trade up, trade down or stay put? Barnwell makes the call for every team on the first-round clock

Trade up? Trade down? Stay put? We have strategy advice for all 32 picks in Round 1 of the 2024 NFL draft.

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28. Buffalo Bills​

What they should do: Trade down.

After sending Stefon Diggs to the Texans, there's going to be a lot of chatter about the Bills trading up for a receiver. On "NFL Live" last Friday, my colleague Mina Kimes argued for Buffalo to move up for Rome Odunze if he's still available when the Bears are on the board at No. 9. That would be an entirely reasonable move if Buffalo believes Odunze is going to be a superstar, although it would be difficult to see a retooling team trade two first-round picks to take a receiver.

I argued then -- and will argue here -- that the Bills should go in the opposite direction. This team's wide receiver corps consists of Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir and replacement-level journeymen KJ Hamler, Mack Hollins and Andy Isabella. They don't need to add one wide receiver. They need two or three, both now and in the years to come. Tight end Dalton Kincaid is going to be a significant part of the offense -- and Buffalo played with two tight ends at the league's fourth-highest rate a year ago when Kincaid and Dawson Knox were healthy -- but I'm not even sure this is an above-average receiving corps if the team moved up for Odunze.

Look at what the Chiefs and Packers have done. Kansas City traded Tyreek Hill and went for quantity over quality. It also upped its usage of 12 and 13 personnel to help put defenses into a bind, leaned more into its power run game by investing in the offensive line and swapping out Clyde Edwards-Helaire for Isiah Pacheco, and took shots on a number of less expensive receivers. The Chiefs signed Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Justin Watson, traded for Kadarius Toney and used second-round picks on Skyy Moore and Rashee Rice. Some of those moves might not have worked out perfectly, but they got big games or big plays from each of those players during their back-to-back Super Bowl runs each of the past two seasons.

In Green Bay, the plan after trading Davante Adams in 2022 was to get younger fast. Quarterback Jordan Love threw to the youngest receiving corps in modern league history last season. It consisted of three second-round picks (Luke Musgrave, Jayden Reed and Christian Watson), a third-rounder (Tucker Kraft), a fourth-rounder (Romeo Doubs) and a fifth-rounder (Dontayvion Wicks). None of those guys was the week-to-week WR1 like Diggs was in Buffalo, but there was more than enough in terms of receiving talent for Love as the season went along.

With this draft widely regarded as one of the deepest classes for wide receivers in recent memory, the Bills could trade down from this spot and add a couple of useful wideouts. Regaining the third-round pick they sent to the Packers for Rasul Douglas would be helpful, and they also have extra fourth- and fifth-round picks.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

I think trading down is feasible (due to the volume and quality of the WR class).
I also think trading up is feasible (because even if we give up next year's 1st, as long as we can hold on to the Minnesota 2nd we'll have a likely high 2nd rounder which will ideally only be like 5-6 slots back, AND we're looking at a good number of comp picks).

 

[Zman5778]

I think trading down is feasible (due to the volume and quality of the WR class).
I also think trading up is feasible (because even if we give up next year's 1st, as long as we can hold on to the Minnesota 2nd we'll have a likely high 2nd rounder which will ideally only be like 5-6 slots back, AND we're looking at a good number of comp picks).

Yeah, there's honestly a viable argument for trading up AND down.

Trading up, there's a FAR better chance of us getting an immediate-impact and long-term #1 WR.

Trading down, it would replace the 3rd we lost/didn't get AND get us another bit at the WR apple OR fill our depth with better talent.


That said, I wonder if maybe Beane kinda does both -- maybe he uses that Minny 2nd to go up and get BTJ (or a falling Odunze)......trades back from #60, then trades up into the 3rd and up higher in the 4th.

Going to be interesting to see what Beane does.

 

[TehDoak]

So, quick question, does anyone have any compromising videos of the top 3 WRs, I don't know, smoking a bong or maybe peeing on a chiefs fan.