Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[Harvey Birdman]

Dubas is a currently employed GM. I suggest wasting little time on saying how much you don't want him until the time he is fired and his name pops up as a legit candidate.

I believe his contract ends at the end of this season. I think that’s what’s pouring gas on the fire of this rumor is the Leafs wouldn’t necessarily have to fire him. He’s free to go anywhere for next season.

 

[Josey Wales]

Rossi: Why would Kyle Dubas leave Toronto for Pittsburgh?

It all comes down to how badly Kyle Dubas wants one thing the Penguins can offer that's proven elusive with the Maple Leafs.

theathletic.com

Anyone with a competitive side should jump at the opportunity to give those two players at least one more good shot at a fourth title together. The job is difficult but desirable.

Does Dubas want it?

FSG would offer him whatever he wants — and not just money and power.

The Penguins are part of an FSG sports portfolio that also includes the Red Sox, Liverpool Football Club and RFK Racing. Dubas, long reported to see hockey and soccer as different sides of the same coin, is said to cherish an opportunity to learn from teams and leagues outside the NHL. He can do that now with Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Maple Leafs, Raptors and Toronto Football Club. FSG, though, is a global sports entity.

Perhaps most importantly, FSG could offer control.

Two sources familiar with the Penguins’ ongoing search told The Athletic that FSG would give Dubas full power with the Penguins. He wouldn’t be a GM reporting to Brendan Shanahan, as is the case with the Maple Leafs. Rather, in Pittsburgh, Dubas would be GM with the influence of a president of hockey operations, even if that’s not his title.

The Penguins would be Dubas’ team, with one caveat — Crosby, Malkin and Letang must remain the faces of Penguins hockey.

FSG is wedded to those three. Henry and Werner view them favorably as much for their on-ice contributions as their off-ice value. Three of the most beloved athletes in Pittsburgh’s history, Crosby, Malkin and Letang are seen as long-term ambassadors for the Penguins’ brand. Their popularity matters a lot.

Ticket-buyers want to see them. Sponsors want to be associated with them. TV viewers are drawn to them.

Beeston said FSG plans to build “a hockey operations machine” to rise from the ashes of the Hextall-Burke failures. That means financial investment for a bigger analytics department, multiple assistant GMs, a deeper pool of scouts, and probably a few newly-created positions.

Protip using Gerbil Boy Rossi is not going to move the needle

 

[Pens1566]

I believe his contract ends at the end of this season. I think that’s what’s pouring gas on the fire of this rumor is the Leafs wouldn’t necessarily have to fire him. He’s free to go anywhere for next season.

Right. They could win in the 1st round and the Leafs could offer a new deal and he could turn it down if he got a better offer (more power) somewhere else.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Rather embarrassing.

 

[Andy99]

Rather embarrassing.

Agree…are they also Sullivan apologists too?

 

[Victor Z]

Agree…are they also Sullivan apologists too?

Bourque sure as hell is.

Edit: Can we hire Bourque as GM and Bowman to do color commentary on the radio? Those moves couldn't help but improve the broadcast -- and assist with the Pens' tanking for whoever the next Bedard is. Bourque's impact as GM would probably be only slightly more disastrous than Eddie O's tenure as coach was (speaking of ex-players who have failed miserably at their subsequent jobs).

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why anyone would want Stan Bowman. The guy sucked shit as a GM and is a piece of shit human to boot.

Even not considering the off-ice stuff--which must be considered--he's a nepotism shithead who was f***ing awful at his job. I could kind of follow the reasoning, not agree with it, if he was some exceptional GM with a stellar track record and the powers that be thought it was worth the black smear on the franchise. That's not the case. He's inept *and* a scumbag.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why anyone would want Stan Bowman. The guy sucked shit as a GM and is a piece of shit human to boot.

Even not considering the off-ice stuff--which must be considered--he's a nepotism shithead who was f***ing awful at his job. I could kind of follow the reasoning, not agree with it, if he was some exceptional GM with a stellar track record and the powers that be thought it was worth the black smear on the franchise. That's not the case. He's inept *and* a scumbag.

3 Cups and a WCF loss in a 6 years span with him as GM during their peak.
3 division championships
President's Trophy

He got hired in July 2009.

I don't want him either, because it's 2023 now and he hasn't done good work in a long time. But it's strange to say he has no track record of success.
He's more accomplished than most GM's. There's a chance he rebounds somewhere else.

 

[Josey Wales]

Rather embarrassing.

Flounder & the Old Drunk9er are jokes

 

[Jacob]

They probably can’t name any other candidates. Doubt they even know what Bowman’s done, just recognize the name.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

3 Cups and a WCF loss in a 6 years span with him as GM during their peak.
3 division championships
President's Trophy

He got hired in July 2009.

I don't want him either, because it's 2023 now and he hasn't done good work in a long time. But it's strange to say he has no track record of success.
He's more accomplished than most GM's. There's a chance he rebounds somewhere else.

Those were Tallon's teams, imo.

 

[Pancakes]

3 Cups and a WCF loss in a 6 years span with him as GM during their peak.
3 division championships
President's Trophy

He got hired in July 2009.

I don't want him either, because it's 2023 now and he hasn't done good work in a long time. But it's strange to say he has no track record of success.
He's more accomplished than most GM's. There's a chance he rebounds somewhere else.

I don't care if he won 10 Stanley Cups.

I don't want him anywhere near this team given what he let happen under his watch. Him and Quenneville should never be allowed near an NHL team again

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Just off the top of my head, the only good thing that happened with Bowman as GM was their scouts finding Panarin--who Bowman traded for Brandon f***ing Saad like two years later.

Guy can eat shit. He's a scumbag and sucks at his job.

 

[canadianguy77]

Dubas is a currently employed GM. I suggest wasting little time on saying how much you don't want him until the time he is fired and his name pops up as a legit candidate.

Why? We’ve entertained far more ludicrous notions in the past.

 

[The GM]

I want to go full revenge of the nerds and hire all analytics dudes or dudesses

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

On one hand, I'm not too confident the direction to go is some "brand new to the sport" people who pore over spreadsheets and try to read formula-driven tea leaves to try and put together an analytical juggernaut. On the other hand, more of the same kinda old school idiots who overvalue 4th liners and are overjoyed when their teams play the opposition to a draw doesn't exactly sound awesome either.

 

[66-30-33]

On one hand, I'm not too confident the direction to go is some "brand new to the sport" people who pore over spreadsheets and try to read formula-driven tea leaves to try and put together an analytical juggernaut. On the other hand, more of the same kinda old school idiots who overvalue 4th liners and are overjoyed when their teams play the opposition to a draw doesn't exactly sound awesome either.

Means Pens will get ZAR back.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

On one hand, I'm not too confident the direction to go is some "brand new to the sport" people who pore over spreadsheets and try to read formula-driven tea leaves to try and put together an analytical juggernaut. On the other hand, more of the same kinda old school idiots who overvalue 4th liners and are overjoyed when their teams play the opposition to a draw doesn't exactly sound awesome either.

Analytics people that only make analytic driven, dispassionate acquisitions will always be making high percentage decisions.
Even if the move doesn't work out, there would have been reason to try in the first place. Something like Brassard for example made sense when we got him. Perron too.

This way you avoid the really terrible, hopeless moves like Granlund, Johnson, Carter.

And if you do that then the average level of the GM's moves will inevitably be higher, over the course of years.

I think it's particularly important to have a guy like this for a rebuild. He will boost your odds of it working out. He'll load up your prospect pool to the point where the math looks good.
He'll know how to manage your cap throughout the process. He will foresee problems much better than a dinosaur GM.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Dubas is a currently employed GM. I suggest wasting little time on saying how much you don't want him until the time he is fired and his name pops up as a legit candidate.

I mean either the Leafs win this series and have a fair showing in round 2 and he stays, or they flame out again early and he's fired.

It's as simple as that. His contract's expiring. There's no way they bring him back if they lose. Not after everything that's happened in the playoffs.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Analytics people that only make analytic driven, dispassionate acquisitions will always be making high percentage decisions.
Even if the move doesn't work out, there would have been reason to try in the first place. Something like Brassard for example made sense when we got him. Perron too.

This way you avoid the really terrible, hopeless moves like Granlund, Johnson, Carter.

And if you do that then the average level of the GM's moves will inevitably be higher, over the course of years.

I think it's particularly important to have a guy like this for a rebuild. He will boost your odds of it working out. He'll load up your prospect pool to the point where the math looks good.
He'll know how to manage your cap throughout the process.

I think there's gotta be a balance, whatever direction they go. Someone with an analytical mind to step in and be like "Uhhh, hey, Granlund sucks shit and would be an awful fit here." I hope the other half is a hockey mind, but someone relatively new to the NHL that hasn't been corrupted by the whole mindset of this dogshit league yet.

 

[Jacob]

Dubas can’t build a bottom 6 to save his life.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Rather embarrassing.

Stan Bowman can go f*** a landmine.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I find it comical that Pens media blamed Hextall for keeping Malkin and Letang this off season.

But then Rossi states...

The Penguins would be Dubas’ team, with one caveat — Crosby, Malkin and Letang must remain the faces of Penguins hockey.

FSG is wedded to those three. Henry and Werner view them favorably as much for their on-ice contributions as their off-ice value. Three of the most beloved athletes in Pittsburgh’s history, Crosby, Malkin and Letang are seen as long-term ambassadors for the Penguins’ brand. Their popularity matters a lot.

Why Penguins GM job could be more attractive for Kyle Dubas than staying with Maple Leafs

It all comes down to how badly Kyle Dubas wants one thing the Penguins can offer that's proven elusive with the Maple Leafs.

theathletic.com

Lol.

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Oh and the best part - Sullivan was always FSG's guy. They made the extension. You lot blamed a lot on a GM that had his faults but none bigger than this coach and ownership.

Somebody is going to oversee those hires. Somebody is going to build the infrastructure. Somebody is going to inherit a couple of generational centers, an all-time defenseman and, yes, a two-time Cup winner of a coach who has a lengthy commitment from ownership in Mike Sullivan.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You could probably say that for most teams it seems like this day and age where everyone comes out with these things in the past.

I doubt it.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Dubas can’t build a bottom 6 to save his life.

One more thing we have in common with Kyle!