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I have no problem with it if it works out great for us. Better then getting the same thing.
You're banned for posting that article. :lol:
Rossi is as tied into the Penguins' thinking as it gets? Rossi has good sources? That author is clueless.
 
I hope FSG does go outside the box here. I'm tired of retreads...I don't want Dubas or another GM that got canned...

Try something fresh.
 
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I think a president of hockey operations who is an outside of the box hire paired with a slightly more traditional hockey GM would be a dynamic hire.

For instance, hiring someone like Cam Lawrence to lead the entire operation and set the tone for what is going to be prioritized while hiring Eric Tulsky to manage the day to day would be outstanding.
 
I never posted it.
My apologies. Tried quoting your quote of his quote. This board is bad for posting on mobile or maybe it's just my phone. Pita to log in, have to refresh thread multiple times to get all posts to load....or maybe it's my Samsung browser lol, which needs an update or six lol.
 
They are going to have to hire someone in my eyes that has some clout and relationships in the league only b/c they still want to maximize whatever this core window looks like right now and right the ship.

They are looking to compete now so moves will need to be made and a new GM will need some type of relationships to get things done
 
I think a president of hockey operations who is an outside of the box hire paired with a slightly more traditional hockey GM would be a dynamic hire.

For instance, hiring someone like Cam Lawrence to lead the entire operation and set the tone for what is going to be prioritized while hiring Eric Tulsky to manage the day to day would be outstanding.
I agree with this.

Brining in someone from outside of hockey could be a good thing. Could be a bad thing, too, but could be good. Having someone who knows nothing about hockey being the only one to run your hockey team seems like a foolish idea, though.
 
I hope FSG does go outside the box here. I'm tired of retreads...I don't want Dubas or another GM that got canned...

Try something fresh.
Dubas is handcuffed by Shanahan in Toronto.

I agree with this.

Brining in someone from outside of hockey could be a good thing. Could be a bad thing, too, but could be good. Having someone who knows nothing about hockey being the only one to run your hockey team seems like a foolish idea, though.
It is a foolish idea. Unlike business, hockey has a strict salary cap. Drafting is very important. I don't want someone who has no idea on player evaluation making the final calls. Plus, if you are going to outside like that, you still have to bring in a hockey call to explain the game. Seems counterproductive.
 
I’m still a bit pessimistic about an ownership group that didn’t fire Ron Hextall after he was unable to articulate his plan when they asked him.
that was a big reason why they did fire him. They were in evaluation mode plain & simple. They gave Hextall this year to see what works/what doesn't. My hope is they understand they can no longer win Cups with this core & act accordingly.
 
I'd be curious to see how a non-hockey general manager gets treated by the insular-to-a-fault community in general. We still have like, 90% of the league run by old dudes who have been around the sport since they helped their dad sharpen skates for the under 10 squad in Salmon Arm, BC in 1962.
 
that was a big reason why they did fire him. They were in evaluation mode plain & simple. They gave Hextall this year to see what works/what doesn't. My hope is they understand they can no longer win Cups with this core & act accordingly.
Did they really need to risk wasting an entire season for Ron Hextall, which they did. There were plenty of red flags before this season he was an imbecile.
 

I really do think FSG is going to go outside the box like this. I don’t think you’ll see someone in a typical hockey role be brought in.
From that article:
"Rossi is as tied into the Penguins’ way of thinking as it gets. He’s been reporting on this team for a long time and has good sources."
I'm pretty sure that's the first time anyone has ever said that about Rossi :laugh:
 
Did they really need to risk wasting an entire season for Ron Hextall, which they did. There were plenty of red flags before this season he was an imbecile.
Apparently, FSG felt that way. Guess they wanted to give him a whole season while they evaluated him.
 
From that article:
"Rossi is as tied into the Penguins’ way of thinking as it gets. He’s been reporting on this team for a long time and has good sources."
I'm pretty sure that's the first time anyone has ever said that about Rossi :laugh:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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Anyone with a competitive side should jump at the opportunity to give those two players at least one more good shot at a fourth title together. The job is difficult but desirable.

Does Dubas want it?

FSG would offer him whatever he wants — and not just money and power.


The Penguins are part of an FSG sports portfolio that also includes the Red Sox, Liverpool Football Club and RFK Racing. Dubas, long reported to see hockey and soccer as different sides of the same coin, is said to cherish an opportunity to learn from teams and leagues outside the NHL. He can do that now with Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Maple Leafs, Raptors and Toronto Football Club. FSG, though, is a global sports entity.

Perhaps most importantly, FSG could offer control.

Two sources familiar with the Penguins’ ongoing search told The Athletic that FSG would give Dubas full power with the Penguins. He wouldn’t be a GM reporting to Brendan Shanahan, as is the case with the Maple Leafs. Rather, in Pittsburgh, Dubas would be GM with the influence of a president of hockey operations, even if that’s not his title.

The Penguins would be Dubas’ team, with one caveat — Crosby, Malkin and Letang must remain the faces of Penguins hockey.


FSG is wedded to those three. Henry and Werner view them favorably as much for their on-ice contributions as their off-ice value. Three of the most beloved athletes in Pittsburgh’s history, Crosby, Malkin and Letang are seen as long-term ambassadors for the Penguins’ brand. Their popularity matters a lot.

Ticket-buyers want to see them. Sponsors want to be associated with them. TV viewers are drawn to them.

Beeston said FSG plans to build “a hockey operations machine” to rise from the ashes of the Hextall-Burke failures. That means financial investment for a bigger analytics department, multiple assistant GMs, a deeper pool of scouts, and probably a few newly-created positions.
 
We went from extreme sides of the pendulum - JR the gunslinger to sleepy the lazy, fearful lazy ass aka patient GM. We need someone in the middle; maybe closer to aggressive than this conservative BS approach that pissed away the last two a half seasons.

Hextall wasn’t “patient,” he was a lazy ass. This all was foreseeable.
 
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I really do think FSG is going to go outside the box like this. I don’t think you’ll see someone in a typical hockey role be brought in.
As your "President of Hockey Operations", perhaps. GM, it gets me a little anxious. You need that knowledgeable hockey guy in the room to tell you things that being a businessman can't. This would be the anti-Sakic/Yzerman/Drury approach, and I wouldn't be sold on it unless you bring in 1-2 AGMs like Briere/Drury/Yzerman/Sakic/etc and another like Botterill.

You could even elevate Sullivan in this role. I would even be interested to see if a guy like Matt Cullen would be interested in playing a part.
I think a president of hockey operations who is an outside of the box hire paired with a slightly more traditional hockey GM would be a dynamic hire.

For instance, hiring someone like Cam Lawrence to lead the entire operation and set the tone for what is going to be prioritized while hiring Eric Tulsky to manage the day to day would be outstanding.
After reading the article, this is exactly what I thought of. I would be very much okay with this.
 
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Anyone with a competitive side should jump at the opportunity to give those two players at least one more good shot at a fourth title together. The job is difficult but desirable.

Does Dubas want it?

FSG would offer him whatever he wants — and not just money and power.


The Penguins are part of an FSG sports portfolio that also includes the Red Sox, Liverpool Football Club and RFK Racing. Dubas, long reported to see hockey and soccer as different sides of the same coin, is said to cherish an opportunity to learn from teams and leagues outside the NHL. He can do that now with Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment, which owns the Maple Leafs, Raptors and Toronto Football Club. FSG, though, is a global sports entity.

Perhaps most importantly, FSG could offer control.

Two sources familiar with the Penguins’ ongoing search told The Athletic that FSG would give Dubas full power with the Penguins. He wouldn’t be a GM reporting to Brendan Shanahan, as is the case with the Maple Leafs. Rather, in Pittsburgh, Dubas would be GM with the influence of a president of hockey operations, even if that’s not his title.

The Penguins would be Dubas’ team, with one caveat — Crosby, Malkin and Letang must remain the faces of Penguins hockey.


FSG is wedded to those three. Henry and Werner view them favorably as much for their on-ice contributions as their off-ice value. Three of the most beloved athletes in Pittsburgh’s history, Crosby, Malkin and Letang are seen as long-term ambassadors for the Penguins’ brand. Their popularity matters a lot.

Ticket-buyers want to see them. Sponsors want to be associated with them. TV viewers are drawn to them.

Beeston said FSG plans to build “a hockey operations machine” to rise from the ashes of the Hextall-Burke failures. That means financial investment for a bigger analytics department, multiple assistant GMs, a deeper pool of scouts, and probably a few newly-created positions.
So Dubas would only be hireable if fired by Toronto, eg. after another first round exit this year. That would put his playoff series record as 0-8 with the Leafs if we go back to his time as AGM (0-5 as head GM), off the top of my head.

You really want THAT guy, a proven failure who can’t build a playoff team in a city where he was given the keys to the kingdom with unlimited resources and a core in their prime years, to come here?

Not to mention, talk about failing upward from failed GM to getting promoted to GM+POHO as well.

I want some of whatever Rossi is smoking.
 
Dubas is a currently employed GM. I suggest wasting little time on saying how much you don't want him until the time he is fired and his name pops up as a legit candidate.
 
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