Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Runner77]

He said he doesn’t know if it’s a PLD trade. So it could also be in a trade to move up in the draft. Seems more logical at this point in time.

Yeah but he wrote that 12 days ago. And he’s not known as a reliable source.

I believe the guy is a fireman so would rely on him for his views about the current smog situation in Montreal:

 

[DAChampion]

LA also paid to acquire Kevin Fiala just last year. Seems like they’re serious about their re-tool and don’t feel like pissing years away chasing some “optimal” result from drafting.

Seems like other teams have assets and drive to get players to substantially improve their roster. Most of these aggressively run teams are either more successful or as successful as the Habs. Teams that didn’t exist seven years ago have assets to acquire such players and win the Stanley Cup. Somehow the Habs happen to not be able to do this, basically ever.

Anyone who wants to give Bergevin credit has to admit he left a mess for Hughes. It wasn’t a “Stanley Cup Final” quality roster nor prospect pool and there were tons of underwhelming contract commitments to players who don’t come close to overperforming their cap hit.

Not really mad about PLD and I don’t think he’s the long awaited elite forward but it would’ve been nice to acquire him. Just as it was nice for LA to acquire Kevin Fiala last year. When you have a chance to add a substantial upgrade to your top6, you do it.

Assets can be acquired and developed over time with food management. For example, the Habs system now has each of Barron, Hutson, Mailloux, Hutson, Harris, Struble. This forum loves them all, but I'll assume that their current aggregate trade value is currently negligible ... but if they continue to be well managed, to develop well and stay healthy over the next year? Then those six players become a lot more valuable leaguewide, and the Habs will never need all six as they already have Savard, Matheson, Guhle, and Xhekaj. So with good management the opportunity for another Romanov for Dach trade opens up. For example Struble is worth peanuts now, but if he does well in Laval next year he probably has the value of a late 1st.

And this year the Habs' potential asset sale value was tanked by each of Allen, Edmundson, Dvorak, Monahan, etc missing significant time to injury. So the Habs didn't get additional liquid assets (top 64 picks), though in the end they got to draft 5th overall rather than 12th due to the injuries. But that won't happen every year.

And lastly the Habs do have a lot of one kind of asset, cap space, and will have more soon. Whether HuGo uses it appropriately remains to be seen.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

LA also paid to acquire Kevin Fiala just last year. Seems like they’re serious about their re-tool and don’t feel like pissing years away chasing some “optimal” result from drafting.

Seems like other teams have assets and drive to get players to substantially improve their roster. Most of these aggressively run teams are either more successful or as successful as the Habs. Teams that didn’t exist seven years ago have assets to acquire such players and win the Stanley Cup. Somehow the Habs happen to not be able to do this, basically ever.

Anyone who wants to give Bergevin credit has to admit he left a mess for Hughes. It wasn’t a “Stanley Cup Final” quality roster nor prospect pool and there were tons of underwhelming contract commitments to players who don’t come close to overperforming their cap hit.

Not really mad about PLD and I don’t think he’s the long awaited elite forward but it would’ve been nice to acquire him. Just as it was nice for LA to acquire Kevin Fiala last year. When you have a chance to add a substantial upgrade to your top6, you do it.

LA got Fiala for very little - Faber and a late 1st. Harris and Panthers 1st would probably be the equivalent. If HuGo could get Dubois for that he would probably do it. If MB is talking Blake into making a ridiculous offer Habs would be idiots to match it.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I think the hold up is Vilardi won't extend with Winnipeg... is there another piece that makes sense or would they force him into arbitration?

Maybe LA wasn't expecting PLD to want 9 for 8 years, maybe PLD wants a 1 year deal with LA, we will know soon enough

 

[Habaneros]

If he wasn’t looking to cash in big time, I’d love to have him back. Was never a super big fan because he seemed a bit wound up but he can score and isn’t a bad character.

Better players bring up trade values and results. We can’t make the next step (be a good team) without making the next step (acquire talent and depth of a a good team).

Pacman67, coming off that injury won't be cashing in big time .
I say probably 2 yrs x 3 - 3.5 million will be what he will get .
I would take him back at that price for sure, Bergevin is gone,

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Assets can be acquired and developed over time with food management. For example, the Habs system now has each of Barron, Hutson, Mailloux, Hutson, Harris, Struble. This forum loves them all, but I'll assume that their current aggregate trade value is currently negligible ... but if they continue to be well managed, to develop well and stay healthy over the next year? Then those six players become a lot more valuable leaguewide, and the Habs will never need all six as they already have Savard, Matheson, Guhle, and Xhekaj. So with good management the opportunity for another Romanov for Dach trade opens up. For example Struble is worth peanuts now, but if he does well in Laval next year he probably has the value of a late 1st.

And this year the Habs' potential asset sale value was tanked by each of Allen, Edmundson, Dvorak, Monahan, etc missing significant time to injury. So the Habs didn't get additional liquid assets (top 64 picks), though in the end they got to draft 5th overall rather than 12th due to the injuries. But that won't happen every year.

And lastly the Habs do have a lot of one kind of asset, cap space, and will have more soon. Whether HuGo uses it appropriately remains to be seen.

Molson's an expert at that. Just joking.

 

[ReHabs]

Assets can be acquired and developed over time with food management. For example, the Habs system now has each of Barron, Hutson, Mailloux, Hutson, Harris, Struble. This forum loves them all, but I'll assume that their current aggregate trade value is currently negligible ... but if they continue to be well managed, to develop well and stay healthy over the next year? Then those six players become a lot more valuable leaguewide, and the Habs will never need all six as they already have Savard, Matheson, Guhle, and Xhekaj. So with good management the opportunity for another Romanov for Dach trade opens up. For example Struble is worth peanuts now, but if he does well in Laval next year he probably has the value of a late 1st.

And this year the Habs' potential asset sale value was tanked by each of Allen, Edmundson, Dvorak, Monahan, etc missing significant time to injury. So the Habs didn't get additional liquid assets (top 64 picks), though in the end they got to draft 5th overall rather than 12th due to the injuries. But that won't happen every year.

And lastly the Habs do have a lot of one kind of asset, cap space, and will have more soon. Whether HuGo uses it appropriately remains to be seen.

It’s unlikely an unremarkable prospect who is also without significant NHL experience will be worth a top64 pick (Struble). But I get what you’re saying.

It’s a shame Hughes mishandled the injury situation so badly that he couldn’t get a single worthwhile asset at the deadline. Good on him for making the tough decision to fire those two guys though. Better late than never.

The cap space is indeed interesting — I had PLD penciled in there but with him off the market the Habs can sell cap space to a variety of needy teams. Hope to see it happen. Cap space should be maximally used every year.

LA got Fiala for very little - Faber and a late 1st. Harris and Panthers 1st would probably be the equivalent. If HuGo could get Dubois for that he would probably do it. If MB is talking Blake into making a ridiculous offer Habs would be idiots to match it.

We’ll see what will be the final makeweight and cap hit. I definitely don’t think PLD is someone you overpay to acquire or overpay to sign. Maybe Hughes made the right decision to fold, we’ll know shortly.

You might remember I was big on acquiring Fiala last year too, it would’ve been cross conference too.

I think the hold up is Vilardi won't extend with Winnipeg... is there another piece that makes sense or would they force him into arbitration?

Maybe LA wasn't expecting PLD to want 9 for 8 years, maybe PLD wants a 1 year deal with LA, we will know soon enough

LA would know exactly what PLD wants before they commit to a trade. This won’t be the deus ex machina some of us would hope for, and not at this late stage.

 

[Richiebottles]

I think the hold up is Vilardi won't extend with Winnipeg... is there another piece that makes sense or would they force him into arbitration?

Maybe LA wasn't expecting PLD to want 9 for 8 years, maybe PLD wants a 1 year deal with LA, we will know soon enough

I find it super off how none of the major media outlets have said anything.

IMO they are still in the negotiation stage for the pieces AND the contract.

Will it get done? Probably? Could it fall through, yes.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Pacman67, coming off that injury won't be cashing in big time .
I say probably 2 yrs x 3 - 3.5 million will be what he will get .
I would take him back at that price for sure, Bergevin is gone,

Patches is like Gallagher. His body is broken.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

LA would know exactly what PLD wants before they commit to a trade. This won’t be the deus ex machina some of us would hope for, and not at this late stage.

We'll see. Almost nothing has come out yet. No players want to re-sign with WPG and most roster players with salary on LA have NTC. They may have to give up Byfield if Vilardi isn't willing to make it work

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It’s unlikely an unremarkable prospect who is also without significant NHL experience will be worth a top64 pick (Struble). But I get what you’re saying.

It’s a shame Hughes mishandled the injury situation so badly that he couldn’t get a single worthwhile asset at the deadline. Good on him for making the tough decision to fire those two guys though. Better late than never.

The cap space is indeed interesting — I had PLD penciled in there but with him off the market the Habs can sell cap space to a variety of needy teams. Hope to see it happen. Cap space should be maximally used every year.


We’ll see what will be the final makeweight and cap hit. I definitely don’t think PLD is someone you overpay to acquire or overpay to sign. Maybe Hughes made the right decision to fold, we’ll know shortly.

You might remember I was big on acquiring Fiala last year too, it would’ve been cross conference too.


LA would know exactly what PLD wants before they commit to a trade. This won’t be the deus ex machina some of us would hope for, and not at this late stage.

Yes, they should maximize the use of cap space. But they have until the trade deadline to do that. They can be a 3rd team taking on cap for draft picks.

 

[BaseballCoach]

21 goals in 68 games is not what I expect for that price tag. Even RHP had 14 in half the number of games. Sure he brings some other things to the table but his lack of defensive play and passing ability make him overpriced on a better team.

RHP has not done it multiple times yet.

 

[Richiebottles]

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[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

We'll see. Almost nothing has come out yet. No players want to re-sign with WPG and most roster players with salary on LA have NTC. They may have to give up Byfield if Vilardi isn't willing to make it work

Not saying you are wrong, If they give up Byfield who is already signed at lower amount and need to still sign RFA Vilardi, they need to clear even more cap space which you just wonder how they get better

Adding Dubois for say 8, if Iaffollo goes leaves like 4.5 to sign Vilardi, a goalie, 3 defenseman and replace with depth with entry level deals

I could see LA trying to acquire some injured players to compensate. Just again, if you are doing all this for some one like Dubois, are you better?

 

[HABitual Fan]

Yes, they should maximize the use of cap space. But they have until the trade deadline to do that. They can be a 3rd team taking on cap for draft picks.

They can help LA get Helly, retain half and get our 2nd next year back. That would be hilarious.

 

[HabsEstrie]

Where’s @HabsEstrie ?

Right here. You believe what you want. PLD is not signing in LA.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He struggles to get 20 goals a year with prime PP time and icetime and hes 29.
players with that much icetime shouldnt struggle to get 20 goals in the nowdays NHL

What are you talking about? Anderson was 10th on the Habs last year among forwards in PP time per game. Harvey-Pinard got more. Dvorak too.

Andy was second in EV goals with 16, tied with Suzuki, who had 38% more ice time.

Yes, he did not get a lot of assists and his defensive game is inconsistent (like many others on the team), but you can't put his contribution in the category of Armia-Gallagher-Drouin or even Hoffman.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

What are you talking about? Anderson was 10th on the Habs last year among forwards in PP time per game. Harvey-Pinard got more. Dvorak too.

Andy was second in EV goals with 16, tied with Suzuki, who had 38% more ice time.

Yes, he did not get a lot of assists and his defensive game is inconsistent (like many others on the team), but you can't put his contribution in the category of Armia-Gallagher-Drouin or even Hoffman.

He was 10 due to his injury and the fact at one point he was being a nuisance on the PP because he can't make any passing plays.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Would have been happy to get PLD but there was a pretty hard limit on what I'd be ok giving up. Glad to see Hughes had a limit too and is sticking to it. We are not in a place to be overpaying for mediocre talent. Stay the course and there will be other opportunities.

Dubois is not mediocre talent. He is a good player. But not elite. Maximum for me is Caufield money. And there is a limit to what I'd trade - it needs to be non-core assets, which excludes using the 5OA and our 2024 and 2025 firsts.

He was 10 due to his injury and the fact at one point he was being a nuisance on the PP because he can't make any passing plays.

So his stats were not padded by the PP time like you implied, right?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It’s OK guys, we’ll get PLD for even cheaper in 18 months when he asks for a trade again.

This post both wins the thread and will enrage the fanboys & girls! Bravo

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Dubois is not mediocre talent. He is a good player. But not elite. Maximum for me is Caufield money. And there is a limit to what I'd trade - it needs to be non-core assets, which excludes using the 5OA and our 2024 and 2025 firsts.


So his stats were not padded by the PP time like you implied, right?

I never said his stats were padded by the PP.
I said with PP and the good amount of ice time he gets , he struggles to get 20 goals

Same as for the last years.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I'm very excited!! Super stoked... this saga will be over soon! Wooh!

 

[SwiftyHab]

Yeah but he wrote that 12 days ago. And he’s not known as a reliable source.

I believe the guy is a fireman so would rely on him for his views about the current smog situation in Montreal:

And we don’t even have any credible evidence on how those fires started.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I think the hold up is Vilardi won't extend with Winnipeg... is there another piece that makes sense or would they force him into arbitration?

Maybe LA wasn't expecting PLD to want 9 for 8 years, maybe PLD wants a 1 year deal with LA, we will know soon enough

LAK have already applied for arbitration for Vilardi. He's really not established enough player to be able to refuse a trade, and he's not UFA for another 3 years.

 

[Richiebottles]

LAK have already applied for arbitration for Vilardi. He's really not established enough player to be able to refuse a trade, and he's not UFA for another 3 years.

The jets won't trade for a guy who won't sign a long term deal.