Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[The Gr8 Dane]

Harris+31st+conditional 7th for PLD at 7.5x8years , easiest fleecing of my life yawn

 

[BLONG7]

PLD camp has never publicly made any comments about contract requirements.

It was Arpon Basu who speculated it will likely take more $ from Mtl being a rebuilding team vs a contender

Some of the media in Montreal.......................just have too much to say at times.........
Players and agents must laugh at these guys.

 

[Rapala]

Watch the trade finalize early tomorrow for Saint-Jean

To LA?

 

[Andrei79]

They will soon be in on the full real hurt...........like it or not.
Kyle Connor and Ehlers are also not interested in a rebuild! lol

And their fans are delusional to say Chevy has any leverage......

Let's hope the PLD thing will end soon, whether he is with us, or not.................he is far from a need at this point in the rebuild, but a very nice want and an opportunity to get on a faster track to being a good team again......

Yeah, I see it as an opportunity for Winnipeg as well. They can accumulate significant assets for all of these players. Or, they can screw themselves and do a "retool", like Columbus failed to do.

In any case, I'm hoping the PLD trade is done by the draft too and that he's coming here at a fair price. Red flags, he's a fantastic player.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I doubt any Dubois trade happens until draft day. The jets aren't likely to like the return they will get for Dubois, so they're just going to wait until they are forced to make a trade, which is probably on draft day.

 

[salbutera]

Watch the trade finalize early tomorrow for Saint-Jean

Imagine the trade is announced right before the Habs pick 5OA, and PLD announces the pick on stage…..

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[Habs Halifax]

I know what they are worth to me. We got lucky and Damned if I don't want to stay that way.
When Dubois reaches UFA he may command a higher salary but given what it will cost to acquire him he can go play with Jonathan Huberdeau for all I care.
Maybe Calgary can also pick up Drouin on the cheap.

Dubois is being devalued by some and compared to Drouin and also devalued like Danault. He's a darn good top 2C like Suzuki but they bring different elements. Of course you want salary cap advantages and to get Dubois at $7M - $8M range but that's not his market value. If that doesn't happen, I am fine with it but lets not pretend we are easily going to find a physical center like him at a later date. That's flawed

What players are "worth" is a also a flawed conversation. The closer they get to UFA, it switches to market value mostly. If he was age 28+, I'd pass. But he is what next year? Age 25? That's a great piece to add if it fits our salary cap structure.

 

[Andrei79]

Anyone would take a chance on Wheeler or are the toxic fumes too strong to take a gamble ? He probably has this team on his M-NTC, but I wonder how he'd look with Dach and Slaf, to give these two some experience, kind of like Jagr with Florida or Giroux in Ottawa.

That said, my preference remains PLD.

 

[le_sean]

Anyone would take a chance on Wheeler or are the toxic fumes too strong to take a gamble ? He probably has this team on his M-NTC, but I wonder how he'd look with Dach and Slaf, to give these two some experience, kind of like Jagr with Florida or Giroux in Ottawa.

That said, my preference remains PLD.

No thanks. Toxic teammate and old.

 

[Andrei79]

That narrowing of teams by PLD sounds like it'll end up being a top 1 lol. We'll see though, I'm not buying it until I TSN calls it.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Dubois is being devalued by some and compared to Drouin and also devalued like Danault. He's a darn good top 2C like Suzuki but they bring different elements. Of course you want salary cap advantages and to get Dubois at $7M - $8M range but that's not his market value. If that doesn't happen, I am fine with it but lets not pretend we are easily going to find a physical center like him at a later date. That's flawed

Yeah for me the concern is more about the actual trade cost than the contract. I think 8x7.8 in light with Suzuki and Caufield is "fair" but if it costs us 8.25 because they're using Horvat as the comparable than so be it, not gonna nickle and dime over 250k when the cap is jumping by 6M next year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah for me the concern is more about the actual trade cost than the contract. I think 8x7.8 in light with Suzuki and Caufield is "fair" but if it costs us 8.25 because they're using Horvat as the comparable than so be it, not gonna nickle and dime over 250k when the cap is jumping by 6M next year.

I'm not worried about the trade cost because if it's something we can't do, we won't. I think Gorton/Hughes also agree with us on that. It has to make sense like the Romanov+ for Dach trade. Trading assets from a organization strength.

Lots of belittle and nit pick posters think I'm obsessed with getting Dubois. Not really but they will ignore that because it don't fit their target style narratives. Interested in Dubois but not desperate. Just because I talk a lot about him, it don't mean I'm willing to go all in for him.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Dreger must've read my 3 way proposal with Detroit and Winnipeg

To Habs: 9th overall + PLD
To WPG: 5th overall + Dvorak
To DET: 18th overall + Harris + whatever else it takes from WPG or MTL to make up the difference

 

[dinodebino]

Anyone would take a chance on Wheeler or are the toxic fumes too strong to take a gamble ? He probably has this team on his M-NTC, but I wonder how he'd look with Dach and Slaf, to give these two some experience, kind of like Jagr with Florida or Giroux in Ottawa.

That said, my preference remains PLD.

If Webs and Perry would still be here, I would try it for a cheap price. Not with this crew.

 

[BLONG7]

Dubois is being devalued by some and compared to Drouin and also devalued like Danault. He's a darn good top 2C like Suzuki but they bring different elements. Of course you want salary cap advantages and to get Dubois at $7M - $8M range but that's not his market value. If that doesn't happen, I am fine with it but lets not pretend we are easily going to find a physical center like him at a later date. That's flawed

What players are "worth" is a also a flawed conversation. The closer they get to UFA, it switches to market value mostly. If he was age 28+, I'd pass. But he is what next year? Age 25? That's a great piece to add if it fits our salary cap structure.

Dubois is a nice add..............but only if the cost makes sense.
The kid is 10X the player Drouin is, and a big upgrade on Phil.
e just turned 25 and is ready for some prime years.............stay tuned, we are close to the draft.
Thinking it is going to be busy next week.............for a lot of teams.

 

[Trembz]

With the jets wants established players.
I'm not sure, but had the name of Joel Edmundson been named?
Maybe something around
Joel, Dvo and a pick/prospect.

 

[ML16]

Yeah for me the concern is more about the actual trade cost than the contract. I think 8x7.8 in light with Suzuki and Caufield is "fair" but if it costs us 8.25 because they're using Horvat as the comparable than so be it, not gonna nickle and dime over 250k when the cap is jumping by 6M next year.

Indeed! If the Habs can acquire Dubois signed long term under 8.5M AAV this offseason, this would mean yet another core piece locked up for less than 10% of the team's cap; a sustainable "internal ceiling", especially considering that the cap will likely be over 90M by the time the Habs start contending, 3-4 years from now.

And by then, if both Dach and Dubois's productions explode in their prime years (surpassing Suzuki's, ie.), Dubois' 8.5M AAV could then be leveraged as the ceiling for Dach's renewals, not unlike what occurred in the Suzuki-Caufield situation.

 

[sampollock]

A new twist has just occurred in the case of Pierre-Luc Dubois in Montreal, while the Winnipeg Jets have responded to the Canadian's trade offer, according to journalist Marc De Foy.

“A source closely associated with the file tells me that the CH will have to be more serious in its offers if it wants to put the grappling hook on Dubois. This information does not surprise me at all.

As I wrote earlier this week, the bargaining chip and Dubois' salary demands are a problem for the Habs.

-Marc de Foy


Time to move on from PLD let him go to LA

 

[morhilane]

With the jets wants established players.
I'm not sure, but had the name of Joel Edmundson been named?
Maybe something around
Joel, Dvo and a pick/prospect.

Edmundson makes sense, especially with him being from Manitoba, but I'm not sure if Winnipeg needs an aging LD.

 

[ZUKI]

the habs are not in a position to give picks and prospects either. They’re in a rebuild.

Wrong.

Dubois is a good young player. You realize that there is very few chance to pickup a player as good as Dubois, out of the top 5 of this draft
Habs are going to loose some of their prospects anyway because they can’t signed more then 50 contracts. Right now they have a lot of prospects that lead their team or league.

 

[HabzSauce]

If I was WPG I'd be so cheesed with all these crap returns lmao.

A combination of Harris, Dvorak, 31st OA, Anderson, Beck, etc is just SO underwhelming. Happy I'm not a Jets fan and hopefully Hugo can do some fleecing.

 

[David Suzuki]

A new twist has just occurred in the case of Pierre-Luc Dubois in Montreal, while the Winnipeg Jets have responded to the Canadian's trade offer, according to journalist Marc De Foy.

“A source closely associated with the file tells me that the CH will have to be more serious in its offers if it wants to put the grappling hook on Dubois. This information does not surprise me at all.

As I wrote earlier this week, the bargaining chip and Dubois' salary demands are a problem for the Habs.

-Marc de Foy


Time to move on from PLD let him go to LA

lol hughes calling their bluff on the LAK talk

 

[Captain97]

With the jets wants established players.
I'm not sure, but had the name of Joel Edmundson been named?
Maybe something around
Joel, Dvo and a pick/prospect.

Apparently the Jets have realized they won't get established players they want and are willing to do futures now.

 

[FF de Mars]

Edmundson makes sense, especially with him being from Manitoba, but I'm not sure if Winnipeg needs an aging LD.

They can up his value and trade him for a 1st at the deadline?