Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[nhlfan9191]

Snowflake? That's why he's pushing to sign here.?

Not sure what relevance that has to do with what I said. Am I suppose to just ignore everything we know about him and bow down because he may or may not sign here?

 

[Belial]

Not sure what relevance that has to do with what I said. Am I suppose to just ignore everything we know about him and bow down because he may or may not sign here?

And what do you know apart from him loving MTL?

 

[nhlfan9191]

And what do you know apart from him loving MTL?

If he loves Montreal so much, why’s he talking about sticking a rebuilding team(very clearly referencing us) for more money?

 

[salbutera]

If he loves Montreal so much, why’s he talking about sticking a rebuilding team(very clearly referencing us) for more money?

PLD camp has never publicly made any comments about contract requirements.

It was Arpon Basu who speculated it will likely take more $ from Mtl being a rebuilding team vs a contender

 

[Sorinth]

PLD camp has never publicly made any comments about contract requirements.

It was Arpon Basu who speculated it will likely take more $ from Mtl being a rebuilding team vs a contender

Ironically LA isn't what many would consider a contender either.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Should have linked the Article.

It's from LeBrun's piece in the Athletic this morning.

"The Kings are interesting, though, because they were among the teams that looked at Dubois when he asked out of Columbus. But their cap situation this summer doesn’t marry too well with Dubois’ potential contract demands, although L.A. obviously would be moving players back to Winnipeg in any potential deal. Still, at the moment, it feels like heavy lifting for a Kings team still needing to address its situation in net as well."

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Thanks for sharing. I think I seen that one too. I just don't think the "insiders" know as much as some thing they do. It tends to spiral.

At this stage, I would expect the unexpected. Usually, in cases like this, when it goes down, it's not what we expected or heard from the media prior too.

We are talking a lot about consistency , but how it could have ever happened last 2 seasons ? ( him or the other players ) Habs were always having half the players out because of all those injuries ? When you get new line mates all the season long ? Building a group, building lines in those conditions is impossible

Agreed. I'm a fan of Anderson and I don't want the Habs to be the smurfs again. OK to have a few like Caufield and Hutson and Michkov too (if we draft him) but we got to mix in some Anderson's.

Certainly not a perfect power forward but he shows up in big games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have a great idea. The Cap is going up. Let's pay players more than they are worth.

How would a fan know what players are "worth"? Seems to be a subjective benchmark we never find. Funny... maybe it's because the cap grows

Worth has nothing to do with it. It's market based for guys you got to sign UFA years on. Reality

I think we got lucky with Suzuki and Caufield under $8M for 8 years. Even with those RFA years in the contract. That doesn't mean they are paid what they are worth

 

[SwiftyHab]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

 

[FrankMTL]

Watch Dubois just randomly show up at the Habs training camp with a home made Habs jersey made with finger paints and crayons.

Our reaction would probably be "It's normal, he's staying in shape until he's traded"

 

[BLONG7]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

The Jets have litttle to no leverage...........Chevy will be fired soon....

Along with the Flames right now, kinda feeling bad for both teams, but hey the mass exodus out of the Peg, and Calgary could help the habs, so................

 

[Andrei79]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

I mean, Jets management would need to be delusional to think they can make the playoffs after trading PLD, Hellebuyck, Scheifele and Wheeler. They're done.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Jets have litttle to no leverage...........Chevy will be fired soon....

Along with the Flames right now, kinda feeling bad for both teams, but hey the mass exodus out of the Peg, and Calgary could help the habs, so................

I know Brisson/Dubois has told the Jets that they are open to 5 or 6 teams on a 8 year extension and Dubois doesn't want to screw over the Jets in terms of only giving the Habs leverage. However, a small part of me thinks he gives those other teams a difficult time on the extension and would only sign if it's a deal he can't refuse. Kind of like Huberdeau with the Flames... won't be the same AAV but you get the point.

I'm wondering about the odds that Dubois does indeed end up a UFA next off season? Not much talk about that but it might happen. From what we keep hearing, the price to acquire is too high for us so yeah... we kept saying it, we are interested but not desperate. So if Dubois wants to get to UFA, we can talk and no assets are traded. Just hope the looming cap increase doesn't derails things greatly

I mean, Jets management would need to be delusional to think they can make the playoffs after trading PLD, Hellebuyck, Scheifele and Wheeler. They're done.

I think it's more about not doing a full rebuild and getting back young NHL proven talent. That way, they try their best to keep fans in the seats. They are after all a very small market team and have to be careful with revenue. I'm pretty sure they know of their chances of making the playoffs if they trade those guys. They are just not going to admit that as a message to the fans. Fans are not dumb either though but if they can get young NHL talent that is ready to play, maybe the entertainment package is still good. That kind of thing

 

[Rapala]

How would a fan know what players are "worth"? Seems to be a subjective benchmark we never find. Funny... maybe it's because the cap grows

Worth has nothing to do with it. It's market based for guys you got to sign UFA years on. Reality

I think we got lucky with Suzuki and Caufield under $8M for 8 years. Even with those RFA years in the contract. That doesn't mean they are paid what they are worth

I know what they are worth to me. We got lucky and Damned if I don't want to stay that way.
When Dubois reaches UFA he may command a higher salary but given what it will cost to acquire him he can go play with Jonathan Huberdeau for all I care.
Maybe Calgary can also pick up Drouin on the cheap.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why would it make a difference? Lindholm is still under contract for another year...

He doesn't fall in the same bracket

You're right, it makes PLD's value less because Chevy has the proverbial gun to his head while Conroy will have a whole year to deal with it.

 

[ROEN]

PLD for nothing is one thing. Trading for him?

Boy, one bad playoff and we'd have people in sports media turning on him like a bad tomato. I don't know ... this Dubois situation is going to be a hard one, you'd lose assets, gain a great young player with tons of great potential but ... who knows.

It does feel that these guys break in Habs Jersey

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

PLD for nothing is one thing. Trading for him?

Boy, one bad playoff and we'd have people in sports media turning on him like a bad tomato. I don't know ... this Dubois situation is going to be a hard one, you'd lose assets, gain a great young player with tons of great potential but ... who knows.

It does feel that these guys break in Habs Jersey

I entirely agree, but to me there's a big X factor this time around; Marty.

One thing above all else from this new management, for me, I believe in Marty.

 

[Barriwhite]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

Winnipeg’s management sat down last night, decided they would pull a 180, and the upshot of that meeting is publicly known at 7AM the next day? I get that they would want to get the word out, but this timeline seems implausible.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Winnipeg’s management sat down last night, decided they would pull a 180, and the upshot of that meeting is publicly known at 7AM the next day? I get that they would want to get the word out, but this timeline seems implausible.

they sat down and likely evaluated the soft market returns theyre getting proposed for PLD and Helly, and the supply being put on the market by the exodus in Philly and Calgary and decided that theyre best possible return right now is going to be in futures. The podcaster doesnt know anything directly about whether theyre shifting to a rebuild but is hypothesizing that thats what happened.

There is no definitive proof to be had here. only speculations

 

[le_sean]

Watch the trade finalize early tomorrow for Saint-Jean

 

[SlafySZN]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

the habs are not in a position to give picks and prospects either. They’re in a rebuild.

 

[SwiftyHab]

the habs are not in a position to give picks and prospects either. They’re in a rebuild.

PLD is part of the rebuild. We can offer lotto tickets for a real thing

 

[Richiebottles]

Watch the trade finalize early tomorrow for Saint-Jean

Woah baby that would be amazing.

 

[BLONG7]

I mean, Jets management would need to be delusional to think they can make the playoffs after trading PLD, Hellebuyck, Scheifele and Wheeler. They're done.

They will soon be in on the full real hurt...........like it or not.
Kyle Connor and Ehlers are also not interested in a rebuild! lol

And their fans are delusional to say Chevy has any leverage......

Let's hope the PLD thing will end soon, whether he is with us, or not.................he is far from a need at this point in the rebuild, but a very nice want and an opportunity to get on a faster track to being a good team again......

 

[Rapala]

So the word in Winnipeg is that, after checking the market for what they could get for some of their core pieces, management sat down last night and reassess their plans. Instead of trying to go for it again, it seems more likely that they’ll try and rebuild.

For us that means, they may not be looking for young players like Dach that can step in right away but rather for futures alone. In that regard, we can start the discussion by offering prospects and picks which makes a PLD trade a little more tolerable for us.

I doubt what Winnipeg does in their backroom will influence HuGo at all. They've been in discussions for this Guy going on a year now. Winnipeg can come back and reduce their ask but Hughes may already be at the limit he is willing to go. That being said some names could change if we determine the value proposition is still in line with our offer.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I doubt what Winnipeg does in their backroom will influence HuGo at all. They've been in discussions for this Guy going on a year now. Winnipeg can come back and reduce their ask but Hughes may already be at the limit he is willing to go. That being said some names could change if we determine the value proposition is still in line with our offer.

I think trying to find deals for their players to try to compete has shown them that teams don't want to part with young NHLers. All they probably have been offered are the equivalent of Dvorak, Armia,Hoffman and Edy. If they want younger players, they will have to accept trades for picks and prospects, and then deal those to teams with a lack of draft capital like Florida, Tampa Toronto and Boston.